Open main menu

Talk:LMR 600 Gordon

Revision as of 15:28, 12 March 2020 by Robin (talk | contribs) (The answer is 1995 (I think))

Ownership history

In the article, it is stated firstly that "Gordon was still the property of the British Army when the Longmoor Military Railway closed and was subsequently sold [...] Gordon arrived on the SVR in September 1971 on loan from The Transport Trust", which conflicts with the later statement that "it remained Army property until July 2008".

To the best of my knowledge, the latter is true, but what the exact ownership situation was back in the 70s was, I don't know - it sounds as if the Army had very little involvement throughout its preservation history. --Danny252 (talk) 00:22, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure on the exact details of ownership either but looking at various sources, I think the Transport Trust were facilitators and possibly temporary custodians but never owners. The entry for Gordon in the Stock Book uses the phrase "…the Army asked the Transport Trust if they could find a suitable home for the locomotive"; my guess being because the latter were more likely to have a good knowledge of the heritage railways at the time. SVR News 20 reported that Gordon and the 3 coaches "…all now in the care of the "Transport Trust", are being loaned to the SVR" (ie "care of" rather than "ownership of"), while SVR News 21 described the SVR's custody as "…through the courtesy of the Army and the Transport Trust".
Once on the SVR, ownership was variously described in Stock Books as “Army” up to the 7th edition, “Army Transport Museum” in the 8th Edition and Royal Army Service Corps Association in the most recent 9th edition. SVR News 162 reported that in July 2008 Gordon "…was handed over by the Army Museum to SVR Ownership". So I think ownership was always with the Army, although quite where and when it lay between the LMR, the Army Museum, the Army Transport Museum and the RASC Association is less that obvious from the sources I have.
As an aside, I can't remember where I found the quote that Gordon was the last steam loco owned by the Army. Moral, add references when creating articles!--Robin (talk) 12:46, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Regarding the various bits of ownership, I wouldn't be surprised if it was owned by all of those at different times, as various bits of the army got reorganised/rebranded. It seems the armed forces are good at that - Cosford seems to have had umpteen prefixes depending on which department owned it that year, and MOD (Telford/Donnington) has quite a split personality. --Danny252 (talk) 11:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Roy Castle "Hope" trains

Robin, help please. 600 is shown as hauling these in 1994 but March 25 shows 1995. Can you check the appropriate SVR News and make the correction? Thanks--Patrick Hearn (talk) 07:00, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

I see why there is a discrepancy. My original reference in this article, Stock Book 9 from 1998, states 25 March 1994. SVR News 114, Spring 1995, p. 6. has a picture captioned "Army 2-10-0 600 Gordon departs from Kidderminster for Highley with the first of three Roy Castle 'Cause for Hope' special trains on Saturday 25 March 1994." Checking up, 25 March 1994 was actually a Friday; 25 March 1995 was a Saturday. The main season in 1995 only started in April; before then a Sunday only service ran to Highley, so a day of Saturday specials to Highley in March 1995 would have fitted in with that. Given the picture was published in the Spring 1995 SVR News, it therefore looks likely that the running date was that year with the caption being a mistake which was perpetuated in the stock book.--Robin (talk) 15:28, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Retrieved from ‘https://www.svrwiki.com/mediawiki-1.28.2/index.php?title=Talk:LMR_600_Gordon&oldid=21844’
Return to "LMR 600 Gordon" page.
SVR Wiki

Main Page

From SVR Wiki
Jump to: navigation, search

Welcome to the Severn Valley Railway Wiki

From this week's featured article
Eardington is situated on Eardington Bank, mid-way between Bridgnorth and Hampton Loade. In recent years, rebuilding the platform was completed in 2019 and the water tower was dismantled in 2021. Although the station no longer features in daily operations, it resumed use during gala events in 2023 more than 40 years since regular timetabled trains ceased. (Full article...)
Schematic Map of the SVRSevern Valley Railway
BridgnorthEardingtonHampton LoadeCountry Park HaltHighleyThe Engine HouseArleyVictoria BridgeNorthwood HaltWyre Forest LineBewdleyStourport BranchBewdley TunnelConnection to Network RailKidderminsterMaps#Schematic maps of the pre-closure SVRMapandlinks3.png
Click on the map for a
larger interactive version

For 101 years between 1862 and 1963, the Severn Valley Railway formed part of the national railway network, running for 40 miles between Hartlebury and Shrewsbury. Established as a separate company, it was mainly operated by the Great Western Railway (GWRGreat Western Railway) and later by British Railways (BRBritish Rail or British Railways).

The present day Severn Valley Railway (SVRSevern Valley Railway) was established in 1965 to preserve part of the line as a heritage railway. Today it has six stations and two halts and runs for 16 miles along the Severn Valley between Bridgnorth in Shropshire and Kidderminster in Worcestershire, following the course of the River Severn for much of its route. Operations involve a mixture of steam and heritage diesel-hauled services.

This unofficial website is a project aimed to collect information and record events relating to the SVRSevern Valley Railway, both past and present.

For timetables, fare information, and news about special events, please visit the SVR Official Website. Other news and information of interest to members, shareholders and enthusiasts can be found on SVRLive.

In April 2023 the SVRSevern Valley Railway announced the launch of a Survival Fund to enable it to overcome the current financial crisis and implement longer-term plans for its future. Information and details of how to donate may be found on the SVRSevern Valley Railway's Survival Fund page.

Categories of article

History of the Severn Valley Railway

Current events on the SVRSevern Valley Railway

Information about the SVRSevern Valley Railway

Miscellaneous


Query Corner

Unsurprisingly, there are a large number of questions about the SVRSevern Valley Railway, both in pre-preservation days and for a number of historical items since then. Take a visit down to Query Corner to see if you have a recollection relating to some long forgotten event, or know of a reliable source (maybe an early edition of the SVR News?) that might have the information we need!

In addition are a number of stub articles requiring further input.

Adding to this Wiki

This site, or "wiki", is a collaborative effort, and anyone who has any knowledge relating to the SVRSevern Valley Railway should feel free to contribute. Once you have created a user account and logged in, you can modify any page by clicking the "Edit" button in the top right hand corner. For some tips on how to format pages, and some guidelines on how to make this wiki accessible can be found on Tips for contributing to the SVR Wiki.

Alternatively, if you don't feel confident editing this Wiki (although there is no reason you shouldn't!!), each article also has a "Discussion" page, which can be accessed by clicking the relevant button in the top left hand corner. This allows you to make additions, suggestions, or corrections to a page without making any change to the article itself.


Retrieved from ‘https://www.svrwiki.com/mediawiki-1.28.2/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=29527’

Navigation menu