Talk:March 25

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1986 - was it a Court order or a noise abatement order from the council? I think the latter but haven't amended it--Patrick Hearn (talk) 21:38, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

The SVRSevern Valley Railway News Boardroom Notes specifically referred to a Court Order on that date. SVRSevern Valley Railway News 80, "At the northern end of the line, boiler rivetting at Bridgnorth was banned by Court Order on 25th March." SVRSevern Valley Railway News 81 (different Director writing), "The appeal against the Court Order mentioned in the last issue was successful, and boiler riveting can continue at Bridgnorth."
However the GMs notes referred to a Notice. SVRSevern Valley Railway News 80: "Bridgnorth District Council recently issued a Notice ordering the railway to stop boiler rivetting being carried out in the open air…". SVRSevern Valley Railway News 81, "You will want to know about the Crown Court Hearing we attended in Shrewsbury on 11th July, and the judge upheld our appeal against the Notice issued by Bridgnorth District Council last year…" The latter was written in summer 1986 so if correct, "last year" would have referred to 1985. Possibly the Council issued a noise abatement order in 1985 (although not mentioned in SVRSevern Valley Railway News that I can find) and obtained the Court Order in March 86 to reinforce it? --Robin (talk) 09:41, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
With no info at all I can divine the original prohibition was a notice on 25 March 1985, which went to Court on 11 July 1985 to be appealed and overturned (which fits in with the GM's notes). Googling 'overturning noise abatements' has several court cases listed. .GOV.UK has abatement notices under councils. Both give credence to the GM's notes and the assumption I have made. On the basis of the GM's notes, should we make the change (with a note explaining the difference)?--Patrick Hearn (talk) 18:23, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
The "Court Order" (or Notice) was definitely on 25 March 1986 (not 1985), and the Crown Court hearing that overturned it was on 11 July 1986. Reading on in SVRSevern Valley Railway News 82, Boardroom notes, "Almost before the last issue reached the printers, news came that a further Court Order was being sought in respect of the boiler operations at Bridgnorth". SVRSevern Valley Railway News 83, GM's notes "We went to Bridgnorth Magistrates Court on 18/ 19th November to seek a substantial variation to the Notice served by Bridgnorth District Council on the SVRSevern Valley Railway dated 24th July, 1986. A variation was secured to the Notice which enables the Railway to continue work on boilers at Bridgnorth in the open air between the hours of 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. Mondays to Fridays, excluding Bank Holidays. The new Order allows our operations to continue until 17th November 1988..." So in July 1986 the Boards "Court Order" was the same thing as the GM's "Notice" which presumably means the same was true in March 1986, although I'm not sure why the GM stated the first notice was issued "last year" or why the first appeal was dealt with in the Crown Court and the second in the local Magistrates Court. I used the Board's wording, but I've no objection of you want to change it. --Robin (talk) 21:14, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
There's also now a discrepancy between the variation and 'temporary planning permission'! I'll leave it. Thanks Robin--Patrick Hearn (talk) 21:24, 1 May 2019 (UTC)