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The SVR was home to three '''ex-Longmoor Military Railway saloons''' between 1971 and 1985. They arrived on loan from the Army's Transport Trust together with [[600|LMR 600 Gordon]].
 
Following the closure of the LMR, a number of items of rolling stock were stored at Liss, adjacent to the Waterloo-Portsmouth main line, during 1971. [[600|600 Gordon]] and the three saloons were moved from Liss to Didcot on 12-13 September 1971 for a joint GWS / BR Open Day on 18 September. On Monday 20 September, Gordon and the three saloons were moved by rail to Bewdley. Two other carriages were collected on the way, [[LMS 26986 Brake Third Corridor|LMS Brake Third 26986]] from Worcester and [[Carriages formerly resident on the SVR|GCR 'Barnum' Third Open 5664]] from Kidderminster (then still a BR yard).<ref name=SVR21>SVR News 21, pp 24-26</ref>
 
The three Saloons were originally delivered in LMR blue livery, but during their time at the SVR all were repainted for filming purposes. They appeared in GWR livery in [[God's Wonderful Railway]] (1980) as pictured below, and were also featured in [[The Country Diary of an Edwardian Lady]] (1984) among others.
 
The three saloons were later sold by the Transport Trust and moved to the Kent and East Sussex Railway in 1985.<ref name=KESR>[https://kesr.org.uk/our-heritage/carriages/ KESR Carriages page]</ref> Brief histories of the three saloons are given below.
==Army 3005==
[[File:Longmoor_3005.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Ex-Army 3005 6-wheel saloon]]
Army 3005 was originally built by the London and North Western Railway at Wolverton in 1910. It is a 6-wheel inspection saloon providing seating accommodation for 8 passengers and was also fitted with a toilet. It is believed originally to have been numbered 7 and thought to have been used by George Whale, the LNWR's CME.<ref>SVR News 21, pp 10-11 (History of carriages credited to David Wigley of the Southern Locomotive Preservation Company).</ref>
 
Under the LMS the salon was numbered ED33. SVR News, the SVR Stock Book and Heritage Register On-line all suggest that it was also numbered 45021.<ref name=SB7>SVR Stock Book Seventh Edition</ref><ref name=SVR21/> Railway Heritage Register On-line notes that the saloon was sold to the Army in May 1940 for use on the Melbourne Military Railway in Derbyshire, later moving to the Longmoor Military Railway during 1945 for use in the LMR Officers' Special Train. The sale would have allowed the number 45021 to be reused for the LMS Bogie District Engineer's Saloon 45021 (later M45021M) built in 1944 and briefly [[Carriages formerly resident on the SVR|resident on the SVR]].
 
At the LMR the saloon was given the number Army 3005.
 
After leaving the SVR in 1985, ED33 was used in the Kent and East Sussex Railway's Vintage Train. {{As of|2021}} it is awaiting overhaul<ref name=KESR/>.
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==Army 3006==
[[File:Longmoor_3006.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Ex-Army 3006 family saloon]]
This carriage, one of a pair, was originally built by the South East & Chatham Railway at their Ashford Works in February 1900 and numbered 177. As built it had a luggage compartment with double doors at one end, a large saloon, a vestibule and a short corridor leading to a five seat compartment. It also had a small cubicle with a toilet on one side of the corridor and another with a hand basin opposite. It was intended to be hired by wealthy families travelling to destinations often far from the home railway, but by 1907 had been converted to an invalid saloon.<ref name=KESR/>
 
The saloon was later renumbered 7913 by the Southern Railway, before being sold to the Longmoor Military Railway in 1936 for use in the Officers' train. It was initially numbered 118 before becoming Army 3006.
 
After leaving the SVR in 1985, restoration as SE&CR 177 began at the Kent and East Sussex Railway in 1992. Now restored, 177 is used in the Railway's Vintage Train<ref name=KESR/>.
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==Army 3007==
[[File:Longmoor_3007.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Ex-Army 3007 6-wheel saloon]]
During This saloon was built by the 1970s LSWR at Eastleigh in 1910 and was originally numbered 11. It was renumbered 4105 in 1912 and 1890s later renumbered 7803 by the SVR Southern Railway before being withdrawn in 1938. It seats 19 people and was home to three saloons which originally fitted with gangway connections. These were formerly removed during its time at the Longmoor Military Railway, where it was initially numbers 129 before becoming Army 3007. They arrived  {{As of|2021}} the KESR website does not list this saloon on loan from the Army Trust together with their carriages page. Railway Heritage Register Online suggests it is stored, having been in course of restoration since 1999.<br clear="all"/> ==See also==*[[600|600 GordonCarriages formerly resident on the SVR]]. ==References==<references/>
Page under construction==Links==*[https://kesr.org.uk/our-heritage/carriages/ Kent and East Sussex Railway: Carriages]*[http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=578 Railway Heritage Register Online: LNWR Six-wheel Inspection Saloon built 1889] (3005)*[http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=332 Railway Heritage Register Online: SECR 177 Open First (later Family Saloon) built 1900] (3006)*[http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=304 Railway Heritage Register Online: LSWR 11 Invalid Saloon built 1910] (3007)
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