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==SpambotsSVR Unofficial Forum and National Preservation links (March 2018, updated February 2024) ==There are many links to these sources but both have moved, viz:*All requests to access the forum via https://forum.svra.org.uk should automatically be forwarded onto https://forum.svr-online.org.uk. However, please update any Bookmarks you may have and start using the new address. EDIT: February 2024, use https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ *<nowiki>http://railway.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/</nowiki> is now https://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/Are there any tools that can be run which at least changes the root? Or any clever ideas?:Maybe the SVR Wiki Bot could hunt for those links and edit as appropriate? One for Dan?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 14:48, 4 March 2018 (UTC)::The bot probably is the simplest answer - I'd usually just run a search-and-replace on the text, but it's all squirreled away in a database, which is a little more difficult! This also happens to be the first I've heard of the change, given that the old link is inaccessible for me due to the security configuration of the old forum address being incorrect. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC):::Turns out the bot comes with a script for text replacement included - I guess it's not that surprising! It's currently working its way through the wiki. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:35, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::I've managed to get the SVRA forum ones, but the only match the bot is finding for the NatPres link given is this page. Could someone link a page where the link is used so I can see what I've got wrong? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)::::[[The Waterman Railway Heritage Trust]], reference 5 for example. It normally appears in references rather than the body text if that makes a difference. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:06, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::::Aha, there's a change at the start of the link (railways.national-preservation vs. www.national-preservation) - I'd only noticed the addition of the number after the thread name. Hence I'd been searching for "www.national-preservation[...]" and only finding the new, corrected link above. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)::::::...having actually done it, the only references to railways.national-preservation.com are on this talk page and the one you linked. I can't find any references to the SVR photo guide forum thread that aren't on this page, and all other nat-pres links I can find (by directly searching through a text dump of the whole wiki) look like they should work. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:24, 8 March 2018 (UTC):::I noticed that SVRLive links should also be HTTPS, although again they were forwarding automatically. Having decided to do a manual search, hopefully all Nat-Pres, SVR-Online forum and SVRLive links in the Wiki are now HTTPS.:February 2024: the history of the SVR forum can be accessed via the Wayback internet archive at https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ --[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 15:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

This comes up periodically. There is no published guide of publicly available photo locations. There is an old thread at http://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/page-2 with quite a lot of info and a thread around Pacific Power. I've been modifying the Captcha questions m not a photographer but a guide would be useful. It would need some thought though, so as initial suggestions what it might include:Work north to try and find what works best, and SouthLocation nameGPSOS referenceMeans of accessParticular restrictionsTips - better in the number at least seems to be reduced.afternoon than morning type thingExample photo

As an additional measure, IAlso a does and don've also enabled blacklisting of known spam sources, as per [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam#DNSBL this ts section], and have turned on the requirement for email addresses to be verified (I noted that none of the bots had emails registeredtrespass etc.). I note there's a couple of people who haven't got confirmed email addresses, but most people should be fine - if you need to confirm your address, you can find the option under "Preferences" in the top right corner, then by scrolling down to almost the bottom of the page of options.

Thoughts?--[[User:Danny252Patrick Hearn|Danny252Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Danny252Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 1610:4155, 6 February 2015 19 December 2016 (UTC):I'd erred away from doing one in the past, in case the SVR considered it to be encouraging people to photograph from lineside (even in legitimate viewing locations) rather than paying to visit the railway. However the SVR itself gave a number of possible viewing locations for Pacific Power, so maybe not considered an issue? If we do add one, your suggestions would be a good start.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:59, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

I've enabled [httpOfficial response from Lewis Maddox://www"Great idea, if you need any photos let me know.mediawiki" So, going back to the original post, what's the best way of setting it up? Does it need a table with the headings I suggested.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist Is there a better way? This might be one where a similar blacklist] as welllittle thought and input from photographers is worthwhile...--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 2213:3206, 6 February 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

We changed :Just while thinking about it, on the [[Current events on the Capcha question Severn Valley Railway]] page, I put a comment relating to a dynamic one SVR Live that "Information which should have been harder is publicly accessible for spambots to crack.<br>It wasnenthusiasts includes Traffic Notices, Working Timetables, '''lineside photography policy and application forms't working as well as hoped, so I have now reworded the question to see if that's any better.<br>I believe it's possible to create different user groups with different posting rights, and so we could, for example move all the proven genuine contributors to a on."trusted" group so that they donHowever I can't have see photography policy on the new version, or on the inconvenience of having to solve a little puzzle every time SVR website either. Any idea where they want to make an edit. I'll look in to that later.<br>would be found these days?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1016:1350, 2 March 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Within an hour of making ::When I looked earlier this year, the lineside photography information available on the above changes, we had a load more spam.<br>It seems old site seemed to follow a set pattern be horribly out of creating a new account date, and then a User Page, so I have disabled upon enquiring directly with the ability for the default user groupSVR on Facebook, "User", to create pages and manually added all the genuine contributors to a new User Group "Trustworthy".<br>If response I have missed you out, or if you have any other problems, you should still be able to edit this page, so either reply here, email got gave methe impression they were only interested in direct inquiries, or post on the forum or Facebook page and I'll sort rather than advertising it out.<br>online? --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 1209:5152, 2 March 2015 5 January 2017 (UTC)

I've moved all :In terms of setting it up, the known genuine contributors to unofficial WSR site WSR.ORG.UK has a "Trustworthy" user group and removed page creation rights from all othersphotography section [http://www.wsr.org.uk/r-photters.<br>They're still getting through though somehow, so I have just disabled the ability to write directly to the APIhtm here].<br>I'm not too sure what this means myself, but I think it's a way There may be some good ideas to bypass the normal page creation method and, as I can't see any legitimate reason to use be had from it, and there was an option to disable it, that's what I've done.<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1716:0755, 3 March 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

: :Thank you. A job for when I suspect that that is how they were getting through without page creation rights - basically it means sending the command to create a page directly without loading up the "Creating page..." form first.have some time :)--[[User:WillSaltPatrick Hearn|WillSaltPatrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:WillSaltPatrick Hearn|talk]]) 2212:1728, 3 March 2015 18 January 2017 (UTC)

:::As a low grade entry point I note that have added to the bots seem [[Bewdley International Airport|Bewdley Airport]] page some basic details with an idea to be registering, but not actually making any edits currently - am I right to think that? add a simple [[From The last time that I can see a spam Window]] type guide page *created* is the 27th of Febwhen locations are populated. I've also fiddled with the settings a bit moreWhat do people think?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 10:55, and it definitely should be only allowing users with confirmed emails to edit/create/whatever now 11 February 2018 (plus the Trustworthy group, of courseUTC).

::::Looks good. I've added some directions. It would be good to illustrate each page with a photo taken from that location as well. --[[User:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|Danny252Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10:0234, 4 March 2015 12 February 2018 (UTC)

==Locomotives hired to or visiting other railways==We have sections for locos coming in, are there equivalents for SVR-resident locos going the other way? I can't find any. TIA--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 12:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC): Off the top of my head, no section exists yet. The pattern has changed slightly. exception would be for [[The spammers Severn Valley Railway on the main line|main line excursions]], which are listed on the linked locomotive pages, but not many of those happen these days! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 13:09, 18 January 2017 (UTC)::Some individual loco pages also mention longer term hires to other railways, but you're right in that there is no longer create their own user equivalent section for gala appearances elsewhere. No reason we couldn't have such a page, they create but it would be a separate major exercise to backfill the history.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:50, 18 January 2017 (UTC):::Thanks both. Do you think we should we start one with 2017 galas out as an incomplete page complete with spam title.<br>, and allow people to backfill? Or let it ride?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 02:43, 19 January 2017 (UTC)I::::If you've asked for advice on re eager, go ahead - just look how the [httpshttp://www.mediawikisvrwiki.orgcom/wikiversion1241/Project:Support_desk#xindex.24wgGroupPermissions_not_preventing_spammers_creating_new_pages_54546 php?title=Steam_Locomotives_visiting_the_SVR_for_galas&oldid=1151 gala visitors] page started! I have to admit I don't really know where to find historical information; the Mediawiki support desk] and got some interestSVR News sometimes mentions locos going off on hire, but not a solution yet.<br>It looks like my next step I don't know if this is comprehensive? Then again, I'm sure Robin will find all the information about 7714's visit to work out how to access the access logLittle Piddling and Nowhere Railway's 1976 gala... I had a quick look earlier--[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:44, but it's not as simple 19 January 2017 (UTC):::::It must have been there as I hoped. I'll put a bit more time in static exhibit - according to the SVR Wiki it laterwasn't steamed until 1992.<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 13:10:43, 4 March 2015 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Seems the bots may be smart enough to confirm emails as well, so ==Bug reports=====Navbox error===I've removed that change I did, so it should be back to how it is. Regarding the comment m seeing <nowiki>{{#invoke:Navbox|navbox}}</nowiki> instead of Navboxes appearing on the helpdesk query about alternate access to carriage and loco pages. Anyone else? Can one of the databaseadministrators have a look please? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC):It was something I've made sure that the old versions of wikis we had installed are now unable did without realising by altering parser settings while trying to convert page names to dates and vice versa. It should be used at allworking again now. They shouldn't have been at all accessible--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 16:48, but now they won't work even if they are16 May 2017 (UTC)::Yes fixed. Belated thanks. --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 1116:4918, 4 March 2015 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Would it be an idea to remove ===On this day refresh error===Another oddity. When I first access the mediawiki files that aren't home page without being used from logged in, the server"On this day" link shows May 18. As soon as I log in, it refreshes correctly. Any ideas? There seems to be 3 installations Is it some sort of the wiki, 2 of which are from the early days and no longer needed(caching issue?) - and it is still possible to view those pages if you know the url to use. -[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1416:0018, 4 March 2015 24 May 2017 (UTC) Just found a way to access logs, could be useful info - once :I understand it more!! [[Userwas getting that as well. It was caused by <nowiki>{{#time:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 17:16, 4 March 2015 (UTC) Another thing I did earlier today }} using "the time the page was to update some of last rendered into HTML" rather than the spam blacklists we've got setupcurrent time. In For some discussion with Sharpo over reason, it would always default to May 18, even immediately after logging out after displaying the access logs just now, correct date while logged in. I can see that a number of the IP addresses weren't being caught before, but should be with ve changed it now to read {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} and {{CURRENTDAY}} which do exactly what their names suggest.</nowiki> It seems to have solved the new settings. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 21:55, 4 March 2015 (UTC) As a further update, Sharpo has been keeping an eye problem on the access logwiki itself, and has noted that a number of bots were using a security hole which we patched up yesterday (a page which shouldnalthough I don't have been accessible was). They know if there may still seem to be trying quite hard to use it, but no spam has appeared todaya caching problem for individual users. --[[User:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|Danny252Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 1800:4856, 5 March 2015 25 May 2017 (UTC) ::I meant to say, if you need help interpreting the logs then feel free to ask, seeing 'm aware that it is still not working as it's should. Editing the page also updates the sort of thing I'm supposed to know about profesionally! --[[User:WillSalt|WillSalt]] ([[User talk:WillSalt|talk]]) 20:05displayed date, 5 March 2015 (UTC) Iso the error doesn've manually removed t show up until a lot of the spam accountsday later, which whilst blocked makes it a slow job fixing it by trial and unable to be used, were still in existence and cluttering up various pages (eerror.g. the user list, which has gone from 300 to 30). This means that their "contributions" will likely have reverted to show just their IP addresses - donI't worry, this doesn't mean that unregistered users have been editing ve asked for help on the site! --[[Userhttps:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Danny252|talk]Traumjses54rw4ao Mediawiki Project Support Desk]) 09:28, 6 March 2015 (UTC) Interesting 'feature' is that the Recent Changes now shows your own IP address as the source of the former spam accounts! Gave me a minor heart attack at first! --[[User:RobinGraham Phillips 110|RobinGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:RobinGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 1408:2958, 6 March 2015 27 May 2017 (UTC) After my last comment on this page, [[User:Danny252|Danny252]] and [[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham]]gave me FTP and CPanel access to the site, and :I had a bit of a chat with Danny about what I found and what I thought could do with tidying up (hang on whilst I pop my Sensible Professional IT Consultant hat onthink it's working now.If you want an explanation..). The end result is: I have just finished doing a big cleanup various Time and deleted just about everything that wasn't needed to run Date functions use the time the current install of MediaWiki (I did leave a huge debug log that page was hanging about last rendered in case anybody wanted it)to HTML. I '''did''' take For a backup before I did itlogged in user, so if you're worried that anything has gone missingwill be their current session, don't be. Please let me know if anything now appears to be weirdly brokenfor a non-logged in user, but it shouldn't be. The point of is the time the cleanup is: although everyone else has already done sterling work page was last modified, as shown at disabling the configuration bottom of every page. By linking to the old installsinternal On This Day page as if it was an external link, making sure that they're not linked anywhere, and so on, getting rid of extraneous stuff altogether is it seems to be creating the best way of reducing link using the "attack surface" - the number of places people could get inreal current time, possibly using hacks we're not ourselves aware ofeven when logged out. --[[User:WillSaltGraham Phillips 110|WillSaltGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:WillSaltGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 22:52, 28, 8 March 2015 May 2017 (UTC) ==Stourport and Tenbury branches== Would it be more correct to refer to these as ::::Another minor bug fixed. As the Stourport Line and Wyre Forest Line on wiki was seeing the map and alter the links, On This Day page titles and redirects to suit? :My inclination would be not to bother (to the casual SVR visitoras an external link, both are branches off the line they are on). The former it was simply opening in a continuation of the old SVR new tab, rather than a line in itselfthe same tab like all other internal links. The latter seems interchangeable between Wyre Forest Line, Tenbury Line and Tenbury Branch; Google favours the former but Icouldn'd be interested to dig out some original sources to see what t fix it properly, so the commonest usage was external link is now displayed as a single full stop right at the time. bottom of the page, I doncouldn't think anyone browsing the wiki will get too confused as make it standscompletely invisible.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 18:32, 6 February 2015 (UTC) OK, I've changed Just having the link somewhere on the map page forces all dates to point to Wyre Forest Line, while keeping "Tenbury Branch" on the map itself. As the Wyre Forest Line article says, most Kidderminster to Bewdley trains continued towards Tenburywork correctly, so if anything, now the Bridgnorth line was the branch. However, going by the fact that the disused line branches away at 90 degrees from the currently used line, it seems more intuitive to refer to it internal link works as the branch in a modern context. ==Logo==Would it be a good idea to have a suitable SVR image or logo on the main page. For a visitor seeing the page for the first time, it would give them some idea what it was all about. Yes, I know it should be obvious, but......  [[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 00:09, 13 January 2015 (UTC) IThere've been thinking the same (I just mentioned it s another minor bug in one of that the forum threads)wiki is set to GMT and is not adjusting for BST. I guess the main question is whether the SVR would be happy with us using its logo - it's starting might look in to sound like we'll need to get in contact with the office that one at some point on a few of these things. If they decide not, does someone feel suitably arty? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 09:23, 13 January 2015 (UTC) Perhaps in the meanwhile we should've adopted the SVR Online logo. Also; starting to add headings here to separate topics. I hope you're all OK with this. [[User:Boldford|Boldford]] ([[User talk:Boldford|talk]]) 09:39, 1 February 2015 (UTC) I emailed marketing@svrlive.com on 16th January to ask permission to use the official SVR logo. I haven't heard back yet, so I've gone and used it anyway. If I get a threatening letter from their solicitors, I'll change it back againas well. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 07:5625, 2 February 2015 29 May 2017 (UTC) That logo looks much better! [[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 08:05, 2 February 2015 (UTC) ==Location==WeI really think I'll probably spend a lot of time providing info about the SVR, but we also need to show where ve got it is for people who come across this wiki & decide time. What was confusing me was the railway might be worth a visit. So, for those arty people amongst us, how about finding a suitable size random image of on the UK Main Page Test page which was causing that can be usedpage to refresh every time it was viewed, with a highlighted area showing exactly where the Railway iswhether logged in or not, then showing an enlargement of which the area alongside the UK image with the main stations highlighted and the course of the railwayproper Main Page wasn't doing. [[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 11:39, 13 January 2015 (UTC) On the subject of maps, I've adapted now set up the map at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Severn_Valley_Railway_map] Main Page to only show as much of the SVR as is currently in use. It works OK on [https://en.wikipediaautomatically refresh every time.org/wiki/User:Graham_Phillips_110/sandbox my sandbox], but not here http://www.svrwiki.com/Map.<br>I gather I need to import the template that the map is based onthought this might slow down loading, but I canit doesn't find instructions on how seem to do thatmake any difference.<br>I What was slowing everything down was going to duplicate fetching nine individual images from Wikimedia Commons for the full GWR/SVR schematic map and create . I've now duplicated these locally, so not only does the page load a more detailed maplot faster, showing more features logging in is a lot quicker as well.<br>Is it worth persevering, or would it just be easier to create the maps some other way?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 1014:4255, 14 January 2015 2 June 2017 (UTC) I was looking on the internet yesterday ::::Thanks for suitable maps & saw that very same page, then thought I would do a tracing from a map & then create my own simple map from that - then scan & upload it. It was then I realised I was spending the time on this instead of doing other thingsit!! In answer to your question, I don't know how to edit that template to how you want it. May It would be better an idea to draw a new version? [[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 11:00, 14 January 2015 (UTC) I think the main issue is that update the pre-1963 map requires a standard set of images (about 3000!) that exist on Wikipedia, which you can tile together page to show the layout (e.g. plain track, station, disused station, and so on), use local icons as well as all the templates ; it pulls in. It might can be possible to copy it over, but I don't know if it would be a good idea to pick very hit and choose the bits we want, or alternatively to copy the whole lot over with miss loading at times. (Not meant as a lot of redundant bitsrequest, but with the flexibility happy to make more in futuredo it myself when time permits).  --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:15, 14 January 2015 (UTC) I was hoping it would be possible :Probably a bit late to import the template and just those icons used ask this as it's a handy way of linking directly to stations were are closing in on the line directly from the map.I was then going to create 100 individual Day pages, but is there anything in them which could be better handled in a more detailed map showing all the bridges etc. with a link template called to each.Maybe I'm asking too much page, rather than the block of text we copy and it would be best to stick to a normal image file of a map.paste each time?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1215:5532, 14 January 2015 2 June 2017 (UTC) :::I remember years ago using some free software that allowed me to add links from a word or words pasted into an image 'd already started on my site. There may be something similar for a wiki if you have time to try & search for it. This was the sort of thing I just found after a search, but not within a wiki - http://www.onextrapixel.com/examples/image-map/ Back again, just found an example on a wiki, there is an image where you can click on the different people other maps when you can seereplied. http://wwwConsider it done.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap[[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 15:09Yes, 14 January 2015 (UTC) Wow, took me a few hours to understand it, but now I have learnt know how easy it is to create more than one link from within an image within and call a wiki. My own wiki test included 2 locos in template, that would be a photo & moving the cursor to either better way of getting the locos would give a link for that locoforward and back dates. [[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 21:40, 14 January 2015 (UTC) I've been spending far too long on this as well, but I've finally got there.<br>Click on did wonder if it might be better if the town names on the [[Map | Map]] .<br>It takes a bit of trial links just said "Previous" and error to get the box coordinates in "Next" rather than the right placedate, but I think this is a better than that would mean going back and altering all the standard route map as it allows linking of nearby features of interest, such as the Engine Houseexisting ones for consistency. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 01:46, 15 January 2015 (UTC) Some good work there. The main thing now is to get a suitable map - the OS maps will presumably somewhat awkward, given that the "Kidderminster" label is nearer to Bewdley Station than Kidder! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:14, 15 January 2015 (UTC) I like the map on the front page. Would it be worth putting on each of the station pages to show their positioning on the SVR?--[[User:Brick60000|Brick60000]] ([[User talk:Brick60000|talk]]) 16:1749, 16 January 2015 2 June 2017 (UTC) ==Making changes==

Up to now, everyone's been making changes without consulting anyone else. There haven't :I thought it had been any disputes yetworking fine, but should we be putting things today it is linking to June 20 when not logged in, even though a vote first?<br>Minor edits of text should be OKpage exists for June 25. Not sure if it is a coincidence, but what about more conspicuous changes like adding the maps and logo? I just went ahead and did ithome page was last edited on June 20. Should we have discussed it first? I can easily undo it.<br>Should we have a picture Has anything changed in the back end, apart from switching Lingo back on the front page? How do we pick one?<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 0819:4358, 31 January 2015 25 June 2017 (UTC)

If you decide to have a picture on ::Another oddity with 'On this day in history'. When logged out, the front next and previous pagelinks on 'August 4' and other days works fine. When I log in they stop working, keep it interesting replaced by changing a grey box with a dash in. Not sure how long it every week. Otherwisehas been happening - anyone else getting the same and if so, once this wiki nears completion (if that is ever likely to happen) people aren't likely to look at it very often. any idea why? --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1314:4637, 31 January 2015 4 August 2017 (UTC)

:My 10p worth is so long as you think ::It took a bit of trial and error, but I've finally got the Previous & Next links working. It turns out it needs spaces either side of the + & - signs when searching for Pagename + 1 day etc. I've got no idea why it worked when logged out, but not when logged in, or why it is an improvementused to work and then stopped working, carry but it works now. I'm still stuck on and add/edit as necessary which is the idea out of a Wiki; stopping for votes just delays thingsdate On This Day link though. Worth adding It looks like we need a note in bot to automatically edit the summary if comment is requiredpage at 00:01 every day, eg if I had but creating a better logo (which I don’t!) I would upload it and say “shall we try this instead?”bot is beyond me at the moment.--[[User:RobinGraham Phillips 110|RobinGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:RobinGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 1709:3244, 31 January 2015 6 August 2017 (UTC)

::::Thanks - I've "protected" the front page, logo ll keep manually updating if I remember and maps to prevent any malicious edits. We haven't had much spam yet, but there was the possibility that someone could alter the front page to something unwanted. If anyone wants nobody else beats me to make a genuine edit, they can put it here on the Talk page and one of the administrators can do it.<br>I created the logo in Paint on my PC and thought I'd got a reasonably good match for the chocolate & cream. The cream looks a bit beige now on my chromebook. If anyone's got the correct colour codes, I'll do a new one.<br>I don't know if a picture as well as the two maps would be too much though?<br>There's a random image extension for wikimedia which can be installed.<br>One idea I had was a long thin picture of a full train in profile, taking up the full width of the page, but only a couple of lines worth of depth. The picture could be selected at random from one of each carriage set. Worth a try?<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 0905:2751, 1 February 2015 7 August 2017 (UTC)

I decided to tweak : For completeness, this issue has been "solved" through the use of the wording a bit - please revert it if you donSvrwikibot, per Graham't like it! s suggestion --[[User:RobinDanny252|RobinDanny252]] ([[User talk:RobinDanny252|talk]]) 1614:1407, 16 December 2016 30 October 2017 (UTC)

== Image As of today it's bringing up the month ==page for February 28th, in error --[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 15:24, 7 March 2022 (UTC):It's been broken for a while now. Danny's Wikibot seems to stop working after about 6 months, and once it does then the 'on this day' link only refreshes (as far as logged out users are concerned) when there is a change saved on the home page (ie usually every Monday when I update the article of the week link!) I don't know to restart the Wikibot - it needs someone with access to the back end and a bit of knowledge. Maybe Graham or Will could have a look at some point? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:37, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

A couple of thoughts on pictures===Pages loading incorrectly when logged out===I'm finding a few pages which aren't loading correctly when not logged in, following a revisit to Festipediafor example [[GWR 80684 Ballast Wagon]].:They have a picture It reports part of the month on content being not secure and is referring to something in version 1241 which was the front pageversion before the https upgrade. Happens in both Chrome and IE. Would that be a reasonable frequency to adoptIt loads fine when logged in, especially as the mods would presumably have to change so I assume it?:They also may be another caching issue. Did we have a lot of historical photos 'from the collection', especially on back end utility for refreshing all the loco pages. Does the SVR have a similar collection (Kidderminster Railway Museum?) and if so, is anyone on speaking terms with the owner(s) who could broach the subject one of adding some here? Particularly the SVR in GWR days and SVR locos in original service (did any of our current locos definitely work on the original SVRadmins run it?), and also early days of the SVR in preservation.<br>--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 12:52, 2 February 2015 (UTC)::I'm planning to go down to the KRM this weekend for their signalling exhibition, and I'll have a go at mentioning this. I don't know whether they've got any plan to digitise their collection, but if so it would likely be a good source of images. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 1217:5753, 11 June 2015 15 December 2017 (UTC)

::I selected about 10 other Wagons pages at random and found these - [[BR General Goods Containers]] / [[BR 993898 'Shark' Ballast Plough Brake]] / [[GWR 125059 Covered Goods Van (body only)]]. There may be others, although I've avoided doing so until nownot noticed any other than wagons pages thus far. Not a lot I can add on the diagnostices, except:::*IE shows a text only page, but uncredited photos keep turning up on Facebook and it seems includes a shame it miss out on them, so Iline saying for example ''<nowiki>Retrieved from ‘http://www.svrwiki.com/version1241/index.php?title=BR_General_Goods_Containers&oldid=8055’</nowiki>''ve added two . Clicking the link takes you to the [[Dowles Bridge]] old page with what I hope is on the non-secure site. It also shows a suitable box at the bottom "Get out of jail freeOnly secure content displayed." disclaimer. Even with an 1868 photo, there's no guarantee that ::*Chrome does the copyright has expired under same but without the 70 year rulepop up box. Any thoughts on the legality of this ?::--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 0722:2700, 30 January 2016 16 December 2017 (UTC)

: What ::Iget the same text-only page displayed as you get with IE. The fact they've not yet worked out is whether the copyright is (or re still showing like that at least can be) means that my attempted fixes so far didn't work! The "extendedretrieved from" if is apparently not the error itself - the work text is sold to someone else - if I buy a collection of old photosusually hidden by the page style, do I get any rights, or is it still all linked to and the fact the page isn't loading the original author style (unless they specifically give some permission/waiveror any pictures)? Equally, I'm not sure if digitising a piece of work is ever able to extend copyright (ewhy that occurs.g. if I scan an old photo, do I get rights over the scan of somebody else's work?). If neither ve reset some more of those applythe cache settings, then which seems to have fixed it. I don's 70 years from the production t understand some of the work ''if the author is not known'', or 70 years after their death if it is (so for an 1868 photo, the author would have had to survive until 1946)this dark voodoo... --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 1618:3024, 30 January 2016 18 December 2017 (UTC)

::Regarding whether you can extend copyright by digitising a piece ===Loss of work, session data===In the Ordnance Survey relinquishes crown copyright after 50 years as per the link last few weeks I posted [[Tips for contributing 've noticed that from time to time the SVR Wiki#Ordnance Survey Maps / Crown Copyright | here]]is logging me off in mid-edit. However With a normal log in, my status is changed to logged out (ie the National Library top right button reverts to 'Log in') and of Scotland claims copyright over their scans of OS maps which are older than thatcourse I can't save the page. If I have selected "stay logged in" when logging in, hence it appears you can do so (and the top right button is still showing 'Log out' but I get the message ''Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. You might have updated all been logged out.'' Abandoning the OS extracts accordingly)edit and restarting it then works fine without actually needing to log out and in again.Is there anything unusual happening at the server back end?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1716:3220, 12 July 2016 9 September 2018 (UTC) ==Changes needed please==A section to note any amendments needed on this page for the attention of the administrators. Suggest we delete items when done to keep the list current.

== Article/page count =Missing Signature button===Prompted by Patrick's comments "''(can't find the date stamp)''" in several posts in [[Query Corner#Santa services|Query Corner]], it appears that recent versions of MediaWiki have removed the signature button that used to be shown when editing 'normal' pages; it still appears when editing Discussion pages. There is a '''[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgExtraSignatureNamespaces configuration variable available here]''' which allows the button to be added back in specific pages. Could one of the admins see if it is possible to add this configuration variable so the button can be put back in Query Corner? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC):Done. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10:00, 30 November 2018 (UTC)::Thanks. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:53, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

===Service Unavailable message===While I've removed the line m in the introduction that gave the current number of articles/images on the wiki. I had recently noticed the main page was taking much longer to access than any other Bug reports page, and that other pages would not load until the main page was loaded, implying it was somehow locking up I'm seeing a large number of resources. Removing the page/image counts, which were probably re-counted each message from time the page was opened, appears to have significantly improved the speed! I suspect this is a combination of the actual article counting process being slow for some reason, as well time as the main page having to be generated from scratch each time it was viewed (in case the counts had changed) which is quite a slow process... --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 08follows:47, 12 July 2016 (UTC):Does seem quicker - no great loss not having the information. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

It was realised earlier today that it was never made clear what license was applied is usually when requesting a special page like 'recent changes' but occasionally when accessing a normal page. Been happening for a couple of months now. Another one for Graham or Will to content on the Wikihave a look at if possible? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:41, with the exception of uploaded files 7 March 2022 (where a license is picked on uploadingUTC).

If you have any complaintsI've modified the user permissions so that new users can create articles and talk pages without being marked "trustworthy". I found it a bit odd that having created a new user, speak I couldn't edit my own user page... Given that spambots are a non-issue now, or forever hold your peace! hopefully we'll be ok. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 2209:3425, 19 November 2016 9 October 2017 (UTC)

:No complaints, but could you tweak the site settings to include the CC icon in the button at the foot of the page where currently is just shows 'Creative'. Found [https://creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?license_code=by-sa&amp;jurisdiction=&amp;versionWiki bot =3.0&amp;lang=en this page of instructions] which may help. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:45, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

::Like so? --[I'm playing around with making an "svrwikibot", mainly to do the front page update that Robin currently does. I've gone with the [Userhttps:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Danny252|talk]Pywikibot Pywikibot]framework, because a) 21:04, 24 November 2016 (UTCI can code Python and b)it works.

If anyone has other ideas for things we could get the bot to do, let me know. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 09:That looks better27, thanks!9 October 2017 (UTC): Alright, hold your breath - if it's working, the bot will now update the main page comment at 5am BST (4am GMT) daily... --[[User:RobinDanny252|RobinDanny252]] ([[User talk:RobinDanny252|talk]]) 2110:1101, 24 November 2016 9 October 2017 (UTC)

This comes up periodically. There ::: The addon in question is no published guide of publicly available photo locations"Lingo". There is an old thread at http:I remember hoping//railwaysexpecting the software update earlier this year would fix it.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/page-2 with quite a lot of info However, it didn't, and at the time I did put in a thread around Pacific Powerreport about the issue still being present. ILooking back at the bug report, there'm not a photographer but a guide would be usefuls been no response or fix yet. It would need some thought though--[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 08:38, so as initial suggestions what it might include:Work north to SouthLocation nameGPSOS referenceMeans of accessParticular restrictionsTips - better in the afternoon than morning type thingExample photo12 October 2017 (UTC)

Also ::::Thanks, I thought it was a does and donshort name like that. It's not a showstopper, I'ts section ll just keep putting references inside punctuation at the end of formatted paragraphs pending developments. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] (trespass etc.[[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 13:53, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Thoughts?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 10:55A small update to say that the bot seems to be working away quite happily, 19 December 2016 (UTC):and on the few occasions I'd erred away from doing one in the pastve checked, in case the SVR considered it to be encouraging people to photograph from lineside (even in legitimate viewing locations) rather than paying to visit the railway. However the SVR itself gave a number of possible viewing locations for Pacific Power, so maybe not considered an issue? If we do add one, your suggestions would be a good start"On this day" link has been correct.--[[User:RobinDanny252|RobinDanny252]] ([[User talk:RobinDanny252|talk]]) 1514:5904, 29 December 2016 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Official response from Lewis Maddox: "Great idea, if you need any photos let me know." So, going back to the original post, what's the best way of setting it up? Does it need a table with Page history suggests the headings I suggested. Is there a better waybot last updated on 7 April? This might be one where a little thought and input from photographers is worthwhile...--[[User:Patrick HearnRobin|Patrick HearnRobin]] ([[User talk:Patrick HearnRobin|talk]]) 1323:0634, 4 January 2017 11 April 2018 (UTC)

:Just while thinking about it, on the [[Current events on the Severn Valley Railway]] page, :Indeed! It seems I put a comment relating might have to SVR Live that "Information which is publicly accessible for enthusiasts includes Traffic Notices, Working Timetables, '''lineside photography policy and application forms''', and so on." However I can't see photography policy on occasionally re-confirm the new versionlogin details, or on the SVR website eitherelse that it somehow forgot how to login. Any idea where they would be found these days?--[[User:RobinDanny252|RobinDanny252]] ([[User talk:RobinDanny252|talk]]) 1609:5029, 4 January 2017 12 April 2018 (UTC)

::When I looked earlier this year, Message for Graham in Dan's absence. Just noticed the lineside photography information available Bot stopped working again on 9 October 2018 so if you are not logged in, the old site seemed On this day link goes to be horribly out of date, and upon enquiring directly with the SVR on Facebook, the response I got gave me last day the impression they were only interested in direct inquiries, page was updated rather than advertising the current day. It may be a coincidence but both times it onlineseems to have stopped after 6 months. Could you have a look please? TIA. --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 0910:5242, 5 January 2017 1 April 2020 (UTC)

:In terms of setting it up===Railway Heritage Register links update===The Railway Heritage Register Carriage Survey and Wagon Survey have historically been hosted on vintagecarriagestrust.org, but are permanently moving to a new host on 9 April. From a quick test today, the record numbers within URLs are the same on the old and new host, therefore all that is needed in the links is to update the unofficial WSR site WSRhost address.ORGThere is a second problem in that the text within the link normally takes the form of '... on vintagecarriagestrust.org' which also needs updating (for simplicity and clarity I suggest using '... on Railway Heritage Register On-Line' for both Carriages and Wagons).UK has It would be a photography section [httpgreat help if these changes could be done by the bot. The 'search and replace' involved is:*Step 1: replace '''cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''cs.rhrp.org.uk'''*Step 2://wwwreplace '''ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''ws.wsrrhrp.org.uk/r'''*Step 3: replace '''on vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''on Railway Heritage Register On-phottersLine'''Steps 1 and 2 should fix the relevant URLs, and step 3 the link wording for at least the majority of links.htm here]There are links in a number of different areas including current and former carriages and wagons etc. There may be some good ideas to be had from itHope that is possible.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1617:5523, 4 January 2017 27 February 2019 (UTC)

== Mobile view ==:I don't think this has cropped up before. I have just noticed that Navboxes do not appear in Mobile view. This is apparently deliberate, as detailed in [https:Thank you//phabricator. A job wikimedia.org/T124168 this article]. In most cases they are probably a 'nice to have' rather than essential to navigation, but in [[The Severn Valley Railway in preservation]] they are currently the only method of navigating to other history pages. It should be possible to create the same links in a table instead of a Navbox which may be the answer in that instance. Something to bear in mind as we create future pages, particularly as mobile devices are increasingly used for when browsing. Any thoughts or suggestions welcome. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:03, 13 April 2018 (UTC)::Update; I duly added a table rather than a Navbox which works OK in Mobile view. We just have some to remember to update that table at the same time as updating the Template:)TimelineNavbox.--[[User:Patrick HearnRobin|Patrick HearnRobin]] ([[User talk:Patrick HearnRobin|talk]]) 1222:2835, 18 January 2017 31 December 2019 (UTC)

==Locomotives hired :Something else I found that appears not to or visiting other railways==We have sections for locos coming work in, are there equivalents for SVR-resident locos going the other way? I can't find anyMobile view. TIA--The [[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick HearnUnsuccessful proposals for railways in the Severn Valley]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 12:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC): Off page has a statement <nowiki><div class="toclimit-2">__TOC__</div></nowiki> to limit the number of items in the top table of my head, no section exists yetcontents. The exception would level 3 headings should be for [[The Severn Valley Railway on the main line|main line excursions]], which are listed on the linked locomotive pages, suppressed but not many of those happen these days! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 13:09, 18 January 2017 (UTC)::Some individual loco pages also mention longer term hires to other railways, but you're right appear in that there is no equivalent section for gala appearances elsewhereMobile view. No reason we couldn't have such Not a pagemajor issue, but it would be a major exercise to backfill the history.annoying!--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1522:5035, 18 January 2017 31 December 2019 (UTC):::Thanks both. Do you think we should we start one with 2017 galas out as an incomplete pageProblem solved, and allow people thanks to backfill? Or let it ride?help from the Mediawiki Project:Suport Desk --[[User:Patrick HearnGraham Phillips 110|Patrick HearnGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Patrick HearnGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 0222:4337, 19 2 January 2017 2020 (UTC)::::If you're eager, go ahead - just look how the [http://wwwThanks.svrwiki.com/version1241/index.php?title=Steam_Locomotives_visiting_the_SVR_for_galas&oldid=1151 gala visitors] page started! I have to admit I donsee in their response that we't really know where to find historical information; the SVR News sometimes mentions locos going off on hire, but I don't know if this is comprehensive? Then again, I'm sure Robin will find all the information about 7714's visit to the Little Piddling and Nowhere Railway's 1976 gala... --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:44, 19 January 2017 (UTC):::::It must have been there as re due a static exhibit MediaWiki version update - according to the SVR Wiki it wasn't steamed until 1992. good luck! --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1323:1017, 19 2 January 2017 2020 (UTC)

==Bug reportsFeatured article ==I'm seeing <nowiki>{{#invoke:Navbox|navbox}}</nowiki> instead of Navboxes appearing on the carriage and loco pages. Anyone else? Can one of the administrators have a look please? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC):It was something I did without realising by altering parser settings while trying to convert page names to dates and vice versa. It should be working again now. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 16:48, 16 May 2017 (UTC)::Yes fixed. Belated thanks.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Another oddity. When I first access the home page without being logged in, the "On this day" link shows May 18. As soon as I log in, it refreshes correctly. Any ideas? Is it some sort 'll be busy for much of caching issue? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC):I was getting that as well. It was caused by <nowiki>{{#time:}} using "the time the page was last rendered into HTML" rather than the current time. For some reasonnext few weeks with moving, it would always default to May 18a honeymoon, even immediately after logging out after displaying the correct date while logged in. and whatever else I've changed it now to read {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} and {{CURRENTDAY}} which do exactly what their names suggest.</nowiki> It seems forgotten - if someone else wants to have solved the problem on the wiki itself, although I don't know if there may still be a caching problem go at doing featured articles for individual users. a few weeks, feel free! --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 0010:5643, 25 29 May 2017 2018 (UTC)::I'm aware that it is still not working as it should. Editing the page also updates the displayed dateBest of luck with everything! An open invitation at any time for anyone to pick an article they would like to feature, so the error doesn't show up until a day later, which makes it a slow job fixing either by adding it themselves or by trial letting me know and error. I've asked for help on the [https://wwwll add it.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Traumjses54rw4ao Mediawiki Project Support Desk]--There is a [[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talkCategory:Graham Phillips 110Featured articles|talkCategory page]]) 08:58which lists the articles already featured. If nobody else does choose an article, 27 May 2017 (UTC):::I think it's working now. If you want an explanation...The various Time and Date functions use the time the page was last rendered in ll try to HTML. For a logged in user, that will be their current session, for keep updating them on a non-logged in user, it is the time the page was last modified, as shown at the bottom of every page. By linking to the internal On This Day page as if it was an external link, it seems to be creating the link using the real current time, even when logged outweekly basis.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 2215:5213, 28 29 May 2017 2018 (UTC)