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==SpambotsSVR Unofficial Forum and National Preservation links (March 2018, updated February 2024) ==There are many links to these sources but both have moved, viz:*All requests to access the forum via https://forum.svra.org.uk should automatically be forwarded onto https://forum.svr-online.org.uk. However, please update any Bookmarks you may have and start using the new address. EDIT: February 2024, use https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ *<nowiki>http://railway.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/</nowiki> is now https://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/Are there any tools that can be run which at least changes the root? Or any clever ideas?:Maybe the SVR Wiki Bot could hunt for those links and edit as appropriate? One for Dan?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 14:48, 4 March 2018 (UTC)::The bot probably is the simplest answer - I'd usually just run a search-and-replace on the text, but it's all squirreled away in a database, which is a little more difficult! This also happens to be the first I've heard of the change, given that the old link is inaccessible for me due to the security configuration of the old forum address being incorrect. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC):::Turns out the bot comes with a script for text replacement included - I guess it's not that surprising! It's currently working its way through the wiki. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:35, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::I've managed to get the SVRA forum ones, but the only match the bot is finding for the NatPres link given is this page. Could someone link a page where the link is used so I can see what I've got wrong? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)::::[[The Waterman Railway Heritage Trust]], reference 5 for example. It normally appears in references rather than the body text if that makes a difference. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:06, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::::Aha, there's a change at the start of the link (railways.national-preservation vs. www.national-preservation) - I'd only noticed the addition of the number after the thread name. Hence I'd been searching for "www.national-preservation[...]" and only finding the new, corrected link above. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)::::::...having actually done it, the only references to railways.national-preservation.com are on this talk page and the one you linked. I can't find any references to the SVR photo guide forum thread that aren't on this page, and all other nat-pres links I can find (by directly searching through a text dump of the whole wiki) look like they should work. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:24, 8 March 2018 (UTC):::I noticed that SVRLive links should also be HTTPS, although again they were forwarding automatically. Having decided to do a manual search, hopefully all Nat-Pres, SVR-Online forum and SVRLive links in the Wiki are now HTTPS.:February 2024: the history of the SVR forum can be accessed via the Wayback internet archive at https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ --[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 15:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

This comes up periodically. There is no published guide of publicly available photo locations. There is an old thread at http://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/page-2 with quite a lot of info and a thread around Pacific Power. I've been modifying the Captcha questions m not a photographer but a guide would be useful. It would need some thought though, so as initial suggestions what it might include:Work north to try and find what works best, and SouthLocation nameGPSOS referenceMeans of accessParticular restrictionsTips - better in the number at least seems to be reduced.afternoon than morning type thingExample photo

As an additional measure, IAlso a does and don've also enabled blacklisting of known spam sources, as per [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam#DNSBL this ts section], and have turned on the requirement for email addresses to be verified (I noted that none of the bots had emails registeredtrespass etc.). I note there's a couple of people who haven't got confirmed email addresses, but most people should be fine - if you need to confirm your address, you can find the option under "Preferences" in the top right corner, then by scrolling down to almost the bottom of the page of options.

Thoughts?--[[User:Danny252Patrick Hearn|Danny252Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Danny252Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 1610:4155, 6 February 2015 19 December 2016 (UTC):I'd erred away from doing one in the past, in case the SVR considered it to be encouraging people to photograph from lineside (even in legitimate viewing locations) rather than paying to visit the railway. However the SVR itself gave a number of possible viewing locations for Pacific Power, so maybe not considered an issue? If we do add one, your suggestions would be a good start.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:59, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

I've enabled [httpOfficial response from Lewis Maddox://www"Great idea, if you need any photos let me know.mediawiki" So, going back to the original post, what's the best way of setting it up? Does it need a table with the headings I suggested.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist Is there a better way? This might be one where a similar blacklist] as welllittle thought and input from photographers is worthwhile...--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 2213:3206, 6 February 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

We changed :Just while thinking about it, on the [[Current events on the Capcha question Severn Valley Railway]] page, I put a comment relating to a dynamic one SVR Live that "Information which should have been harder is publicly accessible for spambots to crack.<br>It wasnenthusiasts includes Traffic Notices, Working Timetables, '''lineside photography policy and application forms't working as well as hoped, so I have now reworded the question to see if that's any better.<br>I believe it's possible to create different user groups with different posting rights, and so we could, for example move all the proven genuine contributors to a on."trusted" group so that they donHowever I can't have see photography policy on the new version, or on the inconvenience of having to solve a little puzzle every time SVR website either. Any idea where they want to make an edit. I'll look in to that later.<br>would be found these days?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1016:1350, 2 March 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Within an hour of making ::When I looked earlier this year, the lineside photography information available on the above changes, we had a load more spam.<br>It seems old site seemed to follow a set pattern be horribly out of creating a new account date, and then a User Page, so I have disabled upon enquiring directly with the ability for the default user groupSVR on Facebook, "User", to create pages and manually added all the genuine contributors to a new User Group "Trustworthy".<br>If response I have missed you out, or if you have any other problems, you should still be able to edit this page, so either reply here, email got gave methe impression they were only interested in direct inquiries, or post on the forum or Facebook page and I'll sort rather than advertising it out.<br>online? --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 1209:5152, 2 March 2015 5 January 2017 (UTC)

I've moved all :In terms of setting it up, the known genuine contributors to unofficial WSR site WSR.ORG.UK has a "Trustworthy" user group and removed page creation rights from all othersphotography section [http://www.wsr.org.uk/r-photters.<br>They're still getting through though somehow, so I have just disabled the ability to write directly to the APIhtm here].<br>I'm not too sure what this means myself, but I think it's a way There may be some good ideas to bypass the normal page creation method and, as I can't see any legitimate reason to use be had from it, and there was an option to disable it, that's what I've done.<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1716:0755, 3 March 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

: :Thank you. A job for when I suspect that that is how they were getting through without page creation rights - basically it means sending the command to create a page directly without loading up the "Creating page..." form first.have some time :)--[[User:WillSaltPatrick Hearn|WillSaltPatrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:WillSaltPatrick Hearn|talk]]) 2212:1728, 3 March 2015 18 January 2017 (UTC)

:::As a low grade entry point I note that have added to the bots seem [[Bewdley International Airport|Bewdley Airport]] page some basic details with an idea to be registering, but not actually making any edits currently - am I right to think that? add a simple [[From The last time that I can see a spam Window]] type guide page *created* is the 27th of Febwhen locations are populated. I've also fiddled with the settings a bit moreWhat do people think?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 10:55, and it definitely should be only allowing users with confirmed emails to edit/create/whatever now 11 February 2018 (plus the Trustworthy group, of courseUTC).

::::Looks good. I've added some directions. It would be good to illustrate each page with a photo taken from that location as well. --[[User:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|Danny252Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10:0234, 4 March 2015 12 February 2018 (UTC)

The pattern has changed slightly. The spammers no longer create their own user page, they create a separate page complete with spam title.<br>==Locomotives hired to or visiting other railways==I've asked We have sections for advice on [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk#x.24wgGroupPermissions_not_preventing_spammers_creating_new_pages_54546 the Mediawiki support desk] and got some interest, but not a solution yet.<br>It looks like my next step is to work out how to access the access log. I had a quick look earlier, but it's not as simple as I hoped. I'll put a bit more time locos coming in to it later.<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10:43, 4 March 2015 (UTC) Seems the bots may be smart enough to confirm emails as well, so I've removed that change I did, so it should be back to how it is. Regarding the comment on the helpdesk query about alternate access to the database, I've made sure that the old versions of wikis we had installed are now unable to be used at all. They shouldn't have been at all accessible, but now they won't work even if they are. there equivalents for SVR--[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 11:49, 4 March 2015 (UTC) Would it be an idea to remove resident locos going the mediawiki files that aren't being used from the serverother way? There seems to be 3 installations of the wiki, 2 of which are from the early days and no longer needed(?) - and it is still possible to view those pages if you know the url to use. [[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 14:00, 4 March 2015 (UTC) Just found a way to access logs, could be useful info - once I understand it more!! [[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 17:16, 4 March 2015 (UTC) Another thing I did earlier today was to update some of the spam blacklists we've got setup. In some discussion with Sharpo over the access logs just now, I can see that a number of the IP addresses weren't being caught before, but should be with the new settingsfind any. TIA--[[User:Danny252Patrick Hearn|Danny252Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Danny252Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 2112:5528, 4 March 2015 18 January 2017 (UTC) As a further update, Sharpo has been keeping an eye on : Off the access log, and has noted that a number top of bots were using a security hole which we patched up yesterday (a page which shouldn't have been accessible was). They still seem to be trying quite hard to use itmy head, but no spam has appeared todaysection exists yet. --The exception would be for [[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 18:48, 5 March 2015 (UTC) I meant to say, if you need help interpreting The Severn Valley Railway on the logs then feel free to ask, seeing as it's the sort of thing I'm supposed to know about profesionally! --[[User:WillSaltmain line|WillSaltmain line excursions]] ([[User talk:WillSalt|talk]]) 20:05, 5 March 2015 (UTC) I've manually removed a lot of which are listed on the spam accounts, which whilst blocked and unable to be used, were still in existence and cluttering up various linked locomotive pages (e.g. the user list, which has gone from 300 to 30). This means that their "contributions" will likely have reverted to show just their IP addresses - don't worry, this doesn't mean that unregistered users have been editing the sitebut not many of those happen these days! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 13:09:28, 6 March 2015 18 January 2017 (UTC) Interesting 'feature' is that the Recent Changes now shows your own IP address as the source of the former spam accounts! Gave me a minor heart attack at first! --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 14:29, 6 March 2015 (UTC) After my last comment on this page, [[User:Danny252|Danny252]] and [[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham]]gave me FTP and CPanel access Some individual loco pages also mention longer term hires to the siteother railways, and I had a bit of a chat with Danny about what I found and what I thought could do with tidying up (hang on whilst I pop my Sensible Professional IT Consultant hat on...). The end result is: I have just finished doing a big cleanup and deleted just about everything that wasn't needed to run the current install of MediaWiki (I did leave a huge debug log that was hanging about in case anybody wanted it). I '''did''' take a backup before I did it, so if but you're worried right in that anything has gone missing, don't bethere is no equivalent section for gala appearances elsewhere. Please let me know if anything now appears to be weirdly broken, but it shouldnNo reason we couldn't be. The point of the cleanup is: although everyone else has already done sterling work at disabling the configuration of the old installshave such a page, making sure that they're not linked anywhere, and so on, getting rid of extraneous stuff altogether is the best way of reducing the "attack surface" - the number of places people could get in, possibly using hacks we're not ourselves aware of. --[[User:WillSalt|WillSalt]] ([[User talk:WillSalt|talk]]) 22:28, 8 March 2015 (UTC) ==Stourport and Tenbury branches== Would but it be more correct to refer to these as the Stourport Line and Wyre Forest Line on the map and alter the links, page titles and redirects to suit? :My inclination would be not to bother (to the casual SVR visitor, both are branches off the line they are on). The former was simply a continuation of the old SVR rather than a line in itself. The latter seems interchangeable between Wyre Forest Line, Tenbury Line and Tenbury Branch; Google favours the former but I'd be interested major exercise to dig out some original sources to see what the commonest usage was at the time. I don't think anyone browsing backfill the wiki will get too confused as it standshistory.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1815:3250, 6 February 2015 18 January 2017 (UTC) OK, I've changed the link on the map to point to Wyre Forest Line, while keeping "Tenbury Branch" on the map itself. As the Wyre Forest Line article says, most Kidderminster to Bewdley trains continued towards Tenbury, so if anything, the Bridgnorth line was the branch. However, going by the fact that the disused line branches away at 90 degrees from the currently used line, it seems more intuitive to refer to it as the branch in a modern context. ==Logo==Would it be a good idea to have a suitable SVR image or logo on the main page. For a visitor seeing the page for the first time, it would give them some idea what it was all about. Yes, I know it should be obvious, but......  [[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 00:09, 13 January 2015 (UTC) I've been thinking the same (I just mentioned it in one of the forum threads)Thanks both. I guess the main question is whether the SVR would be happy with us using its logo - it's starting to sound like Do you think we should we'll need to get in contact start one with the office at some point on a few of these things. If they decide not2017 galas out as an incomplete page, does someone feel suitably artyand allow people to backfill? Or let it ride? --[[User:Danny252Patrick Hearn|Danny252Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Danny252Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 0902:2343, 13 19 January 2015 2017 (UTC) Perhaps in the meanwhile we should've adopted the SVR Online logo. Also; starting to add headings here to separate topics. I hope you're all OK with this. [[User:Boldford|Boldford]] ([[User talk:Boldford|talk]]) 09:39, 1 February 2015 (UTC) I emailed marketing@svrlive.com on 16th January to ask permission to use the official SVR logo. I haven:If you't heard back yet, so I've gone and used it anyway. If I get a threatening letter from their solicitorsre eager, I'll change it back again. go ahead --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 07:56, 2 February 2015 (UTC) That logo looks much better! [[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 08:05, 2 February 2015 (UTC) ==Location==We'll probably spend a lot of time providing info about the SVR, but we also need to show where it is for people who come across this wiki & decide the railway might be worth a visit. So, for those arty people amongst us, just look how about finding a suitable size image of the UK that can be used, with a highlighted area showing exactly where the Railway is, then showing an enlargement of the area alongside the UK image with the main stations highlighted and the course of the railway. [[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 11:39, 13 January 2015 (UTC) On the subject of maps, I've adapted the map at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Severn_Valley_Railway_map] to only show as much of the SVR as is currently in use. It works OK on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Graham_Phillips_110/sandbox my sandbox], but not here http://www.svrwiki.com/Mapversion1241/index.<br>php?title=Steam_Locomotives_visiting_the_SVR_for_galas&oldid=1151 gala visitors] page started! I gather have to admit I need don't really know where to import find historical information; the template that the map is based SVR News sometimes mentions locos going off onhire, but I candon't know if this is comprehensive? Then again, I'm sure Robin will find instructions on how all the information about 7714's visit to do that.<br>I was going to duplicate the full GWR/SVR map Little Piddling and create a more detailed map, showing more features as wellNowhere Railway's 1976 gala...<br>Is it worth persevering, or would it just be easier to create the maps some other way?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 10:4244, 14 19 January 2015 2017 (UTC) I was looking on the internet yesterday for suitable maps & saw that very same page, then thought I would do :::::It must have been there as a tracing from a map & then create my own simple map from that static exhibit - then scan & upload according to the SVR Wiki it. It was then I realised I was spending time on this instead of doing other things!! In answer to your question, I donwasn't know how to edit that template to how you want itsteamed until 1992. May be better to draw a new version? --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1113:0010, 14 19 January 2015 2017 (UTC) I think the main issue is that the map requires a standard set of images (about 3000!) that exist on Wikipedia, which you can tile together to show the layout (e.g. plain track, station, disused station, and so on), as well as all the templates it pulls in. It might be possible to copy it over, but I don't know if it would be a good idea to pick and choose the bits we want, or alternatively to copy the whole lot over with a lot of redundant bits, but with the flexibility to make more in future.

==Bug reports=====Navbox error===I'm seeing <nowiki>{{#invoke:Navbox|navbox}}</nowiki> instead of Navboxes appearing on the carriage and loco pages. Anyone else? Can one of the administrators have a look please? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC):It was something I did without realising by altering parser settings while trying to convert page names to dates and vice versa. It should be working again now. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 16:48, 16 May 2017 (UTC)::Yes fixed. Belated thanks.--[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 1216:1518, 14 January 2015 24 May 2017 (UTC)

===On this day refresh error===Another oddity. When I first access the home page without being logged in, the "On this day" link shows May 18. As soon as I log in, it refreshes correctly. Any ideas? Is it some sort of caching issue? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC):I was hoping getting that as well. It was caused by <nowiki>{{#time:}} using "the time the page was last rendered into HTML" rather than the current time. For some reason, it would be possible always default to import May 18, even immediately after logging out after displaying the template correct date while logged in. I've changed it now to read {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} and just those icons used {{CURRENTDAY}} which do exactly what their names suggest.</nowiki> It seems to have solved the problem on the wiki itself, although I don't know if there may still be a caching problem for individual users. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 00:56, 25 May 2017 (UTC)::I'm aware that it is still not working as it should. Editing the page also updates the displayed date, so the error doesn't show up until a day later, which makes it a slow job fixing it by trial and error. I've asked for help on the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Traumjses54rw4ao Mediawiki Project Support Desk]--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 08:58, 27 May 2017 (UTC):::I think it's working now. If you want an explanation...The various Time and Date functions use the time the page was last rendered in to HTML. For a logged in user, that will be their current session, for a handy way non-logged in user, it is the time the page was last modified, as shown at the bottom of every page. By linking directly to stations on the line directly from internal On This Day page as if it was an external link, it seems to be creating the link using the mapreal current time, even when logged out.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 22:52, 28 May 2017 (UTC)I ::::Another minor bug fixed. As the wiki was seeing the On This Day page as an external link, it was then going to create opening in a more detailed map showing new tab, rather than the same tab like all other internal links. I couldn't fix it properly, so the bridges etcexternal link is now displayed as a single full stop right at the bottom of the page, I couldn't make it completely invisible. with a Just having the link somewhere on the page forces all dates to work correctly, so now the internal link works as it should. There's another minor bug in that the wiki is set to GMT and is not adjusting for BST. I might look in to eachthat one at some point as well.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 07:25, 29 May 2017 (UTC)Maybe :::I really think I've got it this time. What was confusing me was the random image on the Main Page Test page which was causing that page to refresh every time it was viewed, whether logged in or not, which the proper Main Page wasn't doing. I've now set up the Main Page to automatically refresh every time. I thought this might slow down loading, but it doesn't seem to make any difference. What was slowing everything down was fetching nine individual images from Wikimedia Commons for the schematic map. I'm asking too much and ve now duplicated these locally, so not only does the page load a lot faster, logging in is a lot quicker as well.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 14:55, 2 June 2017 (UTC)::::Thanks for spending the time on it ! It would be best an idea to update the pre-1963 map page to use local icons as well; it can be very hit and miss loading at times. (Not meant as a request, happy to stick do it myself when time permits). ::::Probably a bit late to ask this as were are closing in on 100 individual Day pages, but is there anything in them which could be better handled in a normal image file template called to each page, rather than the block of text we copy and paste each time?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:32, 2 June 2017 (UTC):::I'd already started on the other maps when you replied. Consider it done. Yes, now I know how easy it is to create and call a maptemplate, that would be a better way of getting the forward and back dates. I did wonder if it might be better if the links just said "Previous" and "Next" rather than the date, but that would mean going back and altering all the existing ones for consistency.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 1216:5549, 14 January 2015 2 June 2017 (UTC)

:I remember years ago using some free software that allowed me thought it had been working fine, but today it is linking to add links from June 20 when not logged in, even though a word or words pasted into an image on my sitepage exists for June 25. There may be something similar for a wiki Not sure if you have time to try & search for itis a coincidence, but the home page was last edited on June 20. This was Has anything changed in the sort of thing I just found after a searchback end, but not within a wiki apart from switching Lingo back on? -- http[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 19://www.onextrapixel.com/examples/image-map/58, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Back again::Another oddity with 'On this day in history'. When logged out, just found an example the next and previous page links on 'August 4' and other days works fine. When I log in they stop working, replaced by a grey box with a wikidash in. Not sure how long it has been happening - anyone else getting the same and if so, there is an image where you can click on the different people you can see. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMapany idea why? --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1514:0937, 14 January 2015 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Wow, :::It took me a few hours bit of trial and error, but I've finally got the Previous & Next links working. It turns out it needs spaces either side of the + & - signs when searching for Pagename + 1 day etc. I've got no idea why it worked when logged out, but not when logged in, or why it used to understand itwork and then stopped working, but it works now. I have learnt how to create more than one 'm still stuck on the out of date On This Day link from within an image within a wikithough. My own wiki test included 2 locos in It looks like we need a photo & moving the cursor bot to either of automatically edit the locos would give page at 00:01 every day, but creating a link for that locobot is beyond me at the moment. --[[User:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|SharpoGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 2109:4044, 14 January 2015 6 August 2017 (UTC)

::::Thanks - I've been spending far too long on this as well, but ll keep manually updating if I've finally got there.<br>Click on the town names on the [[Map | Map]] .<br>It takes a bit of trial remember and error nobody else beats me to get the box coordinates in the right place, but I think this is a better than the standard route map as it allows linking of nearby features of interest, such as the Engine House. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 0105:4651, 15 January 2015 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Some good work there. The main thing now is to get a suitable map - the OS maps will presumably somewhat awkward: For completeness, given that the this issue has been "Kidderminstersolved" label is nearer to Bewdley Station than Kidder! through the use of the Svrwikibot, per Graham's suggestion --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 1014:1407, 15 January 2015 30 October 2017 (UTC)

I like As of today it's bringing up the map on the front pagefor February 28th, in error --[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 15:24, 7 March 2022 (UTC):It's been broken for a while now. Would Danny's Wikibot seems to stop working after about 6 months, and once it be worth putting does then the 'on this day' link only refreshes (as far as logged out users are concerned) when there is a change saved on each the home page (ie usually every Monday when I update the article of the station pages week link!) I don't know to restart the Wikibot - it needs someone with access to show their positioning on the SVRback end and a bit of knowledge. Maybe Graham or Will could have a look at some point?--[[User:Brick60000Robin|Brick60000Robin]] ([[User talk:Brick60000Robin|talk]]) 1615:1737, 16 January 2015 7 March 2022 (UTC)

==Making changes=Pages loading incorrectly when logged out===I'm finding a few pages which aren't loading correctly when not logged in, for example [[GWR 80684 Ballast Wagon]]. It reports part of the content being not secure and is referring to something in version 1241 which was the version before the https upgrade. Happens in both Chrome and IE. It loads fine when logged in, so I assume it may be another caching issue. Did we have a back end utility for refreshing all the pages and if so, could one of the admins run it? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:53, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Up to now: I wasn't getting a secure content warning, everyonebut the page wasn's been making changes without consulting anyone elset loading correctly for me either. There havenI can't been any disputes yet, but should we be putting things to a vote first?<br>Minor edits of text should be OKsay I understand where these odd little issues come from! I've fixed that page manually, but what about more conspicuous changes like adding the maps and logo? I just went ahead and did it. Should we have discussed it first? think I found a script I can easily undo it.<br>Should we have a picture on set to run every so often to clear the front page? How do we pick onewhole cache - did you identify any other pages, and if so, can you check them now?<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 0816:4327, 31 January 2015 16 December 2017 (UTC)

If you decide to have ::I selected about 10 other Wagons pages at random and found these - [[BR General Goods Containers]] / [[BR 993898 'Shark' Ballast Plough Brake]] / [[GWR 125059 Covered Goods Van (body only)]]. There may be others, although I've not noticed any other than wagons pages thus far. Not a picture lot I can add on the front diagnostices, except:::*IE shows a text only page, keep and it interesting by changing it every weekincludes a line saying for example ''<nowiki>Retrieved from ‘http://www.svrwiki.com/version1241/index. Otherwise, once this wiki nears completion (if that is ever likely to happen) people arenphp?title=BR_General_Goods_Containers&oldid=8055’</nowiki>''t likely . Clicking the link takes you to look the old page on the non-secure site. It also shows a box at it very oftenthe bottom "Only secure content displayed." ::*Chrome does the same but without the pop up box. ::--[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1322:4600, 31 January 2015 16 December 2017 (UTC)

:My 10p worth is so long ::I get the same text-only page displayed as you think it get with IE. The fact they're still showing like that at least means that my attempted fixes so far didn't work! The "retrieved from" is apparently not the error itself - the text is an improvementusually hidden by the page style, carry on and add/edit as necessary which the fact the page isn't loading the style (or any pictures) is the idea why that occurs. I've reset some more of a Wiki; stopping for votes just delays things. Worth adding a note in the summary if comment is requiredcache settings, eg if I had a better logo (which seems to have fixed it. I don’t!) I would upload it and say “shall we try don't understand some of this instead?”dark voodoo...--[[User:RobinDanny252|RobinDanny252]] ([[User talk:RobinDanny252|talk]]) 1718:3224, 31 January 2015 18 December 2017 (UTC)

===Loss of session data===In the last few weeks I've "protected" noticed that from time to time the front pageWiki is logging me off in mid-edit. With a normal log in, logo my status is changed to logged out (ie the top right button reverts to 'Log in') and maps to prevent any malicious edits. We havenof course I can't had much spam yet, but there was the possibility that someone could alter save the front page to something unwanted. If anyone wants to make a genuine editI have selected "stay logged in" when logging in, they can put it here on the Talk page and one of the administrators can do it.<br>top right button is still showing 'Log out' but I created get the logo in Paint on my PC and thought Imessage ''d got Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a reasonably good match for the chocolate & creamloss of session data. The cream looks a bit beige now on my chromebookYou might have been logged out. If anyone's got the correct colour codes, I'll do a new one.<br>I don't know if a picture as well as Abandoning the two maps would be too much though?<br>There's a random image extension for wikimedia which can be installed.<br>One idea I had was a long thin picture of a full train edit and restarting it then works fine without actually needing to log out and in profile, taking up the full width of the page, but only a couple of lines worth of depthagain. The picture could be selected Is there anything unusual happening at random from one of each carriage set. Worth a trythe server back end?<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 0916:2720, 1 February 2015 9 September 2018 (UTC)

I decided ===Missing Signature button===Prompted by Patrick's comments "''(can't find the date stamp)''" in several posts in [[Query Corner#Santa services|Query Corner]], it appears that recent versions of MediaWiki have removed the signature button that used to be shown when editing 'normal' pages; it still appears when editing Discussion pages. There is a '''[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgExtraSignatureNamespaces configuration variable available here]''' which allows the button to tweak be added back in specific pages. Could one of the wording a bit - please revert it admins see if you don't like it! is possible to add this configuration variable so the button can be put back in Query Corner? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC):Done. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10:00, 30 November 2018 (UTC)::Thanks. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1617:1453, 16 December 2016 30 November 2018 (UTC)

== Image of the month =Service Unavailable message===While I'm in the Bug reports page, I'm seeing a message from time to time as follows:

A couple of thoughts on pictures, following a revisit to Festipedia. Service Unavailable<br>:They have a picture of the month on the front page. Would that be a reasonable frequency The server is temporarily unable to adopt, especially as the mods would presumably have service your request due to change it?:They also have a lot of historical photos 'from the collection', especially on the loco pagesmaintenance downtime or capacity problems. Does the SVR have a similar collection (Kidderminster Railway Museum?) and if so, is anyone on speaking terms with the owner(s) who could broach the subject of adding some here? Particularly the SVR in GWR days and SVR locos in original service (did any of our current locos definitely work on the original SVR?), and also early days of the SVR in preservationPlease try again later.<br>--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 12:52 Additionally, 2 February 2015 (UTC)::I'm planning a 503 Service Unavailable error was encountered while trying to go down use an ErrorDocument to handle the KRM this weekend for their signalling exhibition, and I'll have a go at mentioning thisrequest. I don't know whether they've got any plan to digitise their collection, but if so it would likely be a good source of images. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:57, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

I've avoided doing so until now, but uncredited photos keep turning up on Facebook and it seems a shame it miss out on them, so I've added two to the [[Dowles Bridge]] page with what I hope is a suitable "Get out of jail free" disclaimer. Even with an 1868 photo, there's no guarantee that the copyright has expired under the 70 year rule. Any thoughts on the legality of this ?--[[== User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 07:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC)permissions ==

: What I've not yet worked out is whether modified the copyright is (or at least user permissions so that new users can be) create articles and talk pages without being marked "extendedtrustworthy" if the work is sold to someone else - if . I buy found it a bit odd that having created a collection of old photos, do I get any rights, or is it still all linked to the original author (unless they specifically give some permission/waiver)? Equallynew user, Icouldn'm not sure if digitising a piece of work is ever able to extend copyright (et edit my own user page.g. if I scan an old photo, do I get rights over the scan of somebody else's work?). If neither of those applyGiven that spambots are a non-issue now, then ithopefully we's 70 years from the production of the work ''if the author is not known'', or 70 years after their death if it is (so for an 1868 photo, the author would have had to survive until 1946)ll be ok. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 1609:3025, 30 January 2016 9 October 2017 (UTC)

::Regarding whether you can extend copyright by digitising a piece of work, the Ordnance Survey relinquishes crown copyright after 50 years as per the link I posted [[Tips for contributing to the SVR Wiki#Ordnance Survey Maps / Crown Copyright | here]]. However the National Library of Scotland claims copyright over their scans of OS maps which are older than that, hence it appears you can do so (and I have updated all the OS extracts accordingly).--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC) ==Changes needed pleaseWiki bot ==A section to note any amendments needed on this page for the attention of the administrators. Suggest we delete items when done to keep the list current.

== ArticleI'm playing around with making an "svrwikibot", mainly to do the front page update that Robin currently does. I've gone with the [https:/page count ==/www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot Pywikibot] framework, because a) I can code Python and b) it works.

I've removed the line in the introduction that gave the current number of articles/images on the wiki. I had recently noticed the main page was taking much longer to access than any If anyone has other page, and that other pages would not load until ideas for things we could get the main page was loaded, implying it was somehow locking up a large number of resources. Removing the page/image counts, which were probably re-counted each time the page was opened, appears bot to have significantly improved the speed! I suspect this is a combination of the actual article counting process being slow for some reasondo, as well as the main page having to be generated from scratch each time it was viewed (in case the counts had changed) which is quite a slow process..let me know. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 0809:4727, 12 July 2016 9 October 2017 (UTC):Does seem quicker Alright, hold your breath - no great loss not having if it's working, the informationbot will now update the main page comment at 5am BST (4am GMT) daily... --[[User:RobinDanny252|RobinDanny252]] ([[User talk:RobinDanny252|talk]]) 1710:3201, 12 July 2016 9 October 2017 (UTC)

It was realised ::: The addon in question is "Lingo". I remember hoping/expecting the software update earlier today that this year would fix it. However, it was never made clear what license was applied to content on didn't, and at the Wikitime I did put in a report about the issue still being present. Looking back at the bug report, with the exception of uploaded files there's been no response or fix yet. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 08:38, 12 October 2017 (where a license is picked on uploadingUTC).

::::Thanks, I thought it was a short name like that. It's not a showstopper, I've applied ll just keep putting references inside punctuation at the [https://creativecommonsend of formatted paragraphs pending developments.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 license[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 13:53, the same as is used on Wikipedia - this license does not apply if a different license is specified 12 October 2017 (e.g. uploaded imagesUTC).

If you have any complaints, speak now, or forever hold your peace! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 22:34, 19 November 2016 (UTC) :No complaints, but could you tweak A small update to say that the site settings bot seems to include be working away quite happily, and on the CC icon in the button at the foot of few occasions I've checked, the page where currently is just shows 'Creative'. Found [https://creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?license_code=by-sa&amp;jurisdiction=&amp;version=3.0&amp;lang=en "On this page of instructions] which may helpday" link has been correct. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:45, 24 November 2016 (UTC) ::Like so? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 2114:04, 24 November 2016 (UTC) :::That looks better, thanks!--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 21:11, 24 November 2016 30 October 2017 (UTC) == SVR photographic guide == This comes up periodically. There is no published guide of publicly available photo locations. There is an old thread at http://railways.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/page-2 with quite a lot of info and a thread around Pacific Power. I'm not a photographer but a guide would be useful. It would need some thought though, so as initial suggestions what it might include:Work north to SouthLocation nameGPSOS referenceMeans of accessParticular restrictionsTips - better in the afternoon than morning type thingExample photo

Also a does and don'ts section :Page history suggests the bot last updated on 7 April? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] (trespass etc.[[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 23:34, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Thoughts?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 10:55, 19 December 2016 (UTC):Indeed! It seems I'd erred away from doing one in might have to occasionally re-confirm the pastlogin details, in case the SVR considered or else that it somehow forgot how to be encouraging people to photograph from lineside (even in legitimate viewing locations) rather than paying to visit the railway. However the SVR itself gave a number of possible viewing locations for Pacific Power, so maybe not considered an issue? If we do add one, your suggestions would be a good startlogin.--[[User:RobinDanny252|RobinDanny252]] ([[User talk:RobinDanny252|talk]]) 1509:5929, 29 December 2016 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Official response from Lewis Maddox: "Great idea, Message for Graham in Dan's absence. Just noticed the Bot stopped working again on 9 October 2018 so if you need any photos let me know." Soare not logged in, going back the On this day link goes to the original post, what's last day the best way of setting it up? Does it need a table with page was updated rather than the headings I suggestedcurrent day. Is there a better way? This might It may be one where a little thought and input from photographers is worthwhile.coincidence but both times it seems to have stopped after 6 months.Could you have a look please? TIA.--[[User:Patrick HearnRobin|Patrick HearnRobin]] ([[User talk:Patrick HearnRobin|talk]]) 1310:0642, 4 January 2017 1 April 2020 (UTC)

:Just while thinking about it===Railway Heritage Register links update===The Railway Heritage Register Carriage Survey and Wagon Survey have historically been hosted on vintagecarriagestrust.org, but are permanently moving to a new host on 9 April. From a quick test today, the record numbers within URLs are the [[Current events same on the Severn Valley Railway]] pageold and new host, I put therefore all that is needed in the links is to update the host address. There is a comment relating to SVR Live second problem in that "Information the text within the link normally takes the form of '... on vintagecarriagestrust.org' which is publicly accessible also needs updating (for enthusiasts includes Traffic Notices, Working Timetables, simplicity and clarity I suggest using '... on Railway Heritage Register On-Line'for both Carriages and Wagons). It would be a great help if these changes could be done by the bot. The 'lineside photography policy search and application formsreplace' involved is:*Step 1: replace '''cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''cs.rhrp.org.uk'''*Step 2: replace '''ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''ws.rhrp.org.uk'''*Step 3: replace ''', and so onvintagecarriagestrust." However I canorg''' by '''t see photography policy on Railway Heritage Register On-Line'''Steps 1 and 2 should fix the new versionrelevant URLs, or on and step 3 the link wording for at least the SVR website eithermajority of links. There are links in a number of different areas including current and former carriages and wagons etc.Hope that is possible. Any idea where they would be found these days?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1617:5023, 4 January 2017 27 February 2019 (UTC)

== Mobile view ==:I don't think this has cropped up before. I have just noticed that Navboxes do not appear in Mobile view. This is apparently deliberate, as detailed in [https:When I looked earlier //phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124168 this yeararticle]. In most cases they are probably a 'nice to have' rather than essential to navigation, but in [[The Severn Valley Railway in preservation]] they are currently the lineside photography information available on the old site seemed only method of navigating to other history pages. It should be horribly out possible to create the same links in a table instead of datea Navbox which may be the answer in that instance. Something to bear in mind as we create future pages, and upon enquiring directly with the SVR on Facebookparticularly as mobile devices are increasingly used for browsing. Any thoughts or suggestions welcome. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:03, the response 13 April 2018 (UTC)::Update; I got gave me the impression they were only interested in direct inquiries, duly added a table rather than advertising it online? a Navbox which works OK in Mobile view. We just have to remember to update that table at the same time as updating the Template:TimelineNavbox.--[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 0922:5235, 5 January 2017 31 December 2019 (UTC)

:In terms of setting it up, Something else I found that appears not to work in Mobile view. The [[Unsuccessful proposals for railways in the unofficial WSR site WSR.ORG.UK Severn Valley]] page has a photography section [http:statement <nowiki><div class="toclimit-2">__TOC__</div></wwwnowiki> to limit the number of items in the table of contents.wsrThe level 3 headings should be suppressed but appear in Mobile view.org.uk/rNot a major issue, but annoying!--photters.htm here[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]. There may be some good ideas ) 22:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC)::Problem solved, thanks to be had help from itthe Mediawiki Project:Suport Desk --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 22:37, 2 January 2020 (UTC):::Thanks.I see in their response that we're due a MediaWiki version update - good luck! --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1623:5517, 4 2 January 2017 2020 (UTC)

==Locomotives hired to or visiting other railways==We have sections I'll be busy for locos coming inmuch of the next few weeks with moving, a honeymoon, are there equivalents for SVR-resident locos going the other way? and whatever else I can't find any. TIAve forgotten --[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 12:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC): Off the top of my head, no section exists yet. The exception would be if someone else wants to have a go at doing featured articles for [[The Severn Valley Railway on the main line|main line excursions]], which are listed on the linked locomotive pagesa few weeks, but not many of those happen these daysfeel free! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 1310:0943, 18 January 2017 29 May 2018 (UTC)::Some individual loco pages also mention longer term hires Best of luck with everything! An open invitation at any time for anyone to pick an article they would like to other railwaysfeature, but youeither by adding it themselves or by letting me know and I're right in that there ll add it. There is no equivalent section for gala appearances elsewhere. No reason we couldn't have such a [[:Category:Featured articles|Category page]] which lists the articles already featured. If nobody else does choose an article, but it would be I'll try to keep updating them on a major exercise to backfill the historyweekly basis.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:5013, 18 January 2017 29 May 2018 (UTC)