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==SpambotsSVR Unofficial Forum and National Preservation links (March 2018, updated February 2024) ==There are many links to these sources but both have moved, viz:*All requests to access the forum via https://forum.svra.org.uk should automatically be forwarded onto https://forum.svr-online.org.uk. However, please update any Bookmarks you may have and start using the new address. EDIT: February 2024, use https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ *<nowiki>http://railway.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/</nowiki> is now https://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/Are there any tools that can be run which at least changes the root? Or any clever ideas?:Maybe the SVR Wiki Bot could hunt for those links and edit as appropriate? One for Dan?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 14:48, 4 March 2018 (UTC)::The bot probably is the simplest answer - I'd usually just run a search-and-replace on the text, but it's all squirreled away in a database, which is a little more difficult! This also happens to be the first I've heard of the change, given that the old link is inaccessible for me due to the security configuration of the old forum address being incorrect. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC):::Turns out the bot comes with a script for text replacement included - I guess it's not that surprising! It's currently working its way through the wiki. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:35, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::I've managed to get the SVRA forum ones, but the only match the bot is finding for the NatPres link given is this page. Could someone link a page where the link is used so I can see what I've got wrong? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)::::[[The Waterman Railway Heritage Trust]], reference 5 for example. It normally appears in references rather than the body text if that makes a difference. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:06, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::::Aha, there's a change at the start of the link (railways.national-preservation vs. www.national-preservation) - I'd only noticed the addition of the number after the thread name. Hence I'd been searching for "www.national-preservation[...]" and only finding the new, corrected link above. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)::::::...having actually done it, the only references to railways.national-preservation.com are on this talk page and the one you linked. I can't find any references to the SVR photo guide forum thread that aren't on this page, and all other nat-pres links I can find (by directly searching through a text dump of the whole wiki) look like they should work. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:24, 8 March 2018 (UTC):::I noticed that SVRLive links should also be HTTPS, although again they were forwarding automatically. Having decided to do a manual search, hopefully all Nat-Pres, SVR-Online forum and SVRLive links in the Wiki are now HTTPS.:February 2024: the history of the SVR forum can be accessed via the Wayback internet archive at https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ --[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 15:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

This comes up periodically. There is no published guide of publicly available photo locations. There is an old thread at http://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/page-2 with quite a lot of info and a thread around Pacific Power. I've been modifying the Captcha questions m not a photographer but a guide would be useful. It would need some thought though, so as initial suggestions what it might include:Work north to try and find what works best, and SouthLocation nameGPSOS referenceMeans of accessParticular restrictionsTips - better in the number at least seems to be reduced.afternoon than morning type thingExample photo

As an additional measure, IAlso a does and don've also enabled blacklisting of known spam sources, as per [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam#DNSBL this ts section], and have turned on the requirement for email addresses to be verified (I noted that none of the bots had emails registeredtrespass etc.). I note there's a couple of people who haven't got confirmed email addresses, but most people should be fine - if you need to confirm your address, you can find the option under "Preferences" in the top right corner, then by scrolling down to almost the bottom of the page of options.

Thoughts?--[[User:Danny252Patrick Hearn|Danny252Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Danny252Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 1610:4155, 6 February 2015 19 December 2016 (UTC):I'd erred away from doing one in the past, in case the SVR considered it to be encouraging people to photograph from lineside (even in legitimate viewing locations) rather than paying to visit the railway. However the SVR itself gave a number of possible viewing locations for Pacific Power, so maybe not considered an issue? If we do add one, your suggestions would be a good start.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:59, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

I've enabled [httpOfficial response from Lewis Maddox://www"Great idea, if you need any photos let me know.mediawiki" So, going back to the original post, what's the best way of setting it up? Does it need a table with the headings I suggested.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist Is there a better way? This might be one where a similar blacklist] as welllittle thought and input from photographers is worthwhile...--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 2213:3206, 6 February 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

We changed :Just while thinking about it, on the [[Current events on the Capcha question Severn Valley Railway]] page, I put a comment relating to a dynamic one SVR Live that "Information which should have been harder is publicly accessible for spambots to crack.<br>It wasnenthusiasts includes Traffic Notices, Working Timetables, '''lineside photography policy and application forms't working as well as hoped, so I have now reworded the question to see if that's any better.<br>I believe it's possible to create different user groups with different posting rights, and so we could, for example move all the proven genuine contributors to a on."trusted" group so that they donHowever I can't have see photography policy on the new version, or on the inconvenience of having to solve a little puzzle every time SVR website either. Any idea where they want to make an edit. I'll look in to that later.<br>would be found these days?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1016:1350, 2 March 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Within an hour of making ::When I looked earlier this year, the lineside photography information available on the above changes, we had a load more spam.<br>It seems old site seemed to follow a set pattern be horribly out of creating a new account date, and then a User Page, so I have disabled upon enquiring directly with the ability for the default user groupSVR on Facebook, "User", to create pages and manually added all the genuine contributors to a new User Group "Trustworthy".<br>If response I have missed you out, or if you have any other problems, you should still be able to edit this page, so either reply here, email got gave methe impression they were only interested in direct inquiries, or post on the forum or Facebook page and I'll sort rather than advertising it out.<br>online? --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 1209:5152, 2 March 2015 5 January 2017 (UTC)

I've moved all :In terms of setting it up, the known genuine contributors to unofficial WSR site WSR.ORG.UK has a "Trustworthy" user group and removed page creation rights from all othersphotography section [http://www.wsr.org.uk/r-photters.<br>They're still getting through though somehow, so I have just disabled the ability to write directly to the APIhtm here].<br>I'm not too sure what this means myself, but I think it's a way There may be some good ideas to bypass the normal page creation method and, as I can't see any legitimate reason to use be had from it, and there was an option to disable it, that's what I've done.<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1716:0755, 3 March 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

: :Thank you. A job for when I suspect that that is how they were getting through without page creation rights - basically it means sending the command to create a page directly without loading up the "Creating page..." form first.have some time :)--[[User:WillSaltPatrick Hearn|WillSaltPatrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:WillSaltPatrick Hearn|talk]]) 2212:1728, 3 March 2015 18 January 2017 (UTC)

:::As a low grade entry point I note that have added to the bots seem [[Bewdley International Airport|Bewdley Airport]] page some basic details with an idea to be registering, but not actually making any edits currently - am I right to think that? add a simple [[From The last time that I can see a spam Window]] type guide page *created* is the 27th of Febwhen locations are populated. I've also fiddled with the settings a bit moreWhat do people think?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 10:55, and it definitely should be only allowing users with confirmed emails to edit/create/whatever now 11 February 2018 (plus the Trustworthy group, of courseUTC).

::::Looks good. I've added some directions. It would be good to illustrate each page with a photo taken from that location as well. --[[User:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|Danny252Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10:0234, 4 March 2015 12 February 2018 (UTC)

==Locomotives hired to or visiting other railways==We have sections for locos coming in, are there equivalents for SVR-resident locos going the other way? I can't find any. TIA--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 12:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC): Off the top of my head, no section exists yet. The pattern has changed slightly. exception would be for [[The spammers Severn Valley Railway on the main line|main line excursions]], which are listed on the linked locomotive pages, but not many of those happen these days! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 13:09, 18 January 2017 (UTC)::Some individual loco pages also mention longer term hires to other railways, but you're right in that there is no longer create their own user equivalent section for gala appearances elsewhere. No reason we couldn't have such a page, they create but it would be a separate major exercise to backfill the history.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:50, 18 January 2017 (UTC):::Thanks both. Do you think we should we start one with 2017 galas out as an incomplete page complete with spam title.<br>, and allow people to backfill? Or let it ride?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 02:43, 19 January 2017 (UTC)I::::If you've asked for advice on re eager, go ahead - just look how the [httpshttp://www.mediawikisvrwiki.orgcom/wikiversion1241/Project:Support_desk#xindex.24wgGroupPermissions_not_preventing_spammers_creating_new_pages_54546 php?title=Steam_Locomotives_visiting_the_SVR_for_galas&oldid=1151 gala visitors] page started! I have to admit I don't really know where to find historical information; the Mediawiki support desk] and got some interestSVR News sometimes mentions locos going off on hire, but not a solution yet.<br>It looks like my next step I don't know if this is comprehensive? Then again, I'm sure Robin will find all the information about 7714's visit to work out how to access the access logLittle Piddling and Nowhere Railway's 1976 gala... I had a quick look earlier--[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:44, but it's not as simple 19 January 2017 (UTC):::::It must have been there as I hoped. I'll put a bit more time in static exhibit - according to the SVR Wiki it laterwasn't steamed until 1992.<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 13:10:43, 4 March 2015 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Seems the bots may be smart enough to confirm emails as well, so ==Bug reports=====Navbox error===I've removed that change I did, so it should be back to how it is. Regarding the comment m seeing <nowiki>{{#invoke:Navbox|navbox}}</nowiki> instead of Navboxes appearing on the helpdesk query about alternate access to carriage and loco pages. Anyone else? Can one of the databaseadministrators have a look please? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC):It was something I've made sure that the old versions of wikis we had installed are now unable did without realising by altering parser settings while trying to convert page names to dates and vice versa. It should be used at allworking again now. They shouldn't have been at all accessible--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 16:48, but now they won't work even if they are16 May 2017 (UTC)::Yes fixed. Belated thanks. --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 1116:4918, 4 March 2015 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Would ===On this day refresh error===Another oddity. When I first access the home page without being logged in, the "On this day" link shows May 18. As soon as I log in, it be an idea refreshes correctly. Any ideas? Is it some sort of caching issue? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC):I was getting that as well. It was caused by <nowiki>{{#time:}} using "the time the page was last rendered into HTML" rather than the current time. For some reason, it would always default to May 18, even immediately after logging out after displaying the correct date while logged in. I've changed it now to read {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} and {{CURRENTDAY}} which do exactly what their names suggest.</nowiki> It seems to remove have solved the mediawiki files problem on the wiki itself, although I don't know if there may still be a caching problem for individual users. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 00:56, 25 May 2017 (UTC)::I'm aware that arenit is still not working as it should. Editing the page also updates the displayed date, so the error doesn't being used from show up until a day later, which makes it a slow job fixing it by trial and error. I've asked for help on the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Traumjses54rw4ao Mediawiki Project Support Desk]--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 08:58, 27 May 2017 (UTC):::I think it's working now. If you want an explanation...The various Time and Date functions use the time the page was last rendered in to HTML. For a logged in user, that will be their current session, for a non-logged in user, it is the time the page was last modified, as shown at the bottom of every page. By linking to the server? There internal On This Day page as if it was an external link, it seems to be 3 installations creating the link using the real current time, even when logged out.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 22:52, 28 May 2017 (UTC)::::Another minor bug fixed. As the wiki was seeing the On This Day page as an external link, it was opening in a new tab, rather than the same tab like all other internal links. I couldn't fix it properly, so the external link is now displayed as a single full stop right at the bottom of the page, I couldn't make it completely invisible. Just having the link somewhere on the page forces all dates to work correctly, so now the internal link works as it should. There's another minor bug in that the wikiis set to GMT and is not adjusting for BST. I might look in to that one at some point as well. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 07:25, 29 May 2017 (UTC):::I really think I've got it this time. What was confusing me was the random image on the Main Page Test page which was causing that page to refresh every time it was viewed, whether logged in or not, 2 of which are the proper Main Page wasn't doing. I've now set up the Main Page to automatically refresh every time. I thought this might slow down loading, but it doesn't seem to make any difference. What was slowing everything down was fetching nine individual images from Wikimedia Commons for the schematic map. I've now duplicated these locally, so not only does the early days and no longer neededpage load a lot faster, logging in is a lot quicker as well.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 14:55, 2 June 2017 (?UTC) ::::Thanks for spending the time on it! It would be an idea to update the pre- 1963 map page to use local icons as well; it can be very hit and miss loading at times. (Not meant as a request, happy to do it myself when time permits). ::::Probably a bit late to ask this as were are closing in on 100 individual Day pages, but is still possible there anything in them which could be better handled in a template called to view those pages if each page, rather than the block of text we copy and paste each time?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:32, 2 June 2017 (UTC):::I'd already started on the other maps when you replied. Consider it done. Yes, now I know how easy it is to create and call a template, that would be a better way of getting the forward and back dates. I did wonder if it might be better if the links just said "Previous" and "Next" rather than the date, but that would mean going back and altering all the url to useexisting ones for consistency. --[[User:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|SharpoGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 1416:0049, 4 March 2015 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Just found :I thought it had been working fine, but today it is linking to June 20 when not logged in, even though a page exists for June 25. Not sure if it is a way to access logscoincidence, but the home page was last edited on June 20. Has anything changed in the back end, could be useful info apart from switching Lingo back on? -- once I understand it more!! [[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1719:1658, 4 March 2015 25 June 2017 (UTC)

::Another thing I did earlier today was to update some of the spam blacklists weoddity with 'On this day in history've got setup. In some discussion with Sharpo over the access logs just now When logged out, I can see that a number of the IP addresses werennext and previous page links on 'August 4't being caught beforeand other days works fine. When I log in they stop working, but should be replaced by a grey box with a dash in. Not sure how long it has been happening - anyone else getting the new settings. same and if so, any idea why? --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 2114:5537, 4 March 2015 August 2017 (UTC)

As :::It took a further updatebit of trial and error, Sharpo has been keeping an eye on but I've finally got the Previous & Next links working. It turns out it needs spaces either side of the access log+ & - signs when searching for Pagename + 1 day etc. I've got no idea why it worked when logged out, but not when logged in, or why it used to work and has noted that a number then stopped working, but it works now. I'm still stuck on the out of bots were using a security hole which date On This Day link though. It looks like we patched up yesterday (need a bot to automatically edit the page which shouldn't have been accessible was). They still seem to be trying quite hard to use itat 00:01 every day, but no spam has appeared todaycreating a bot is beyond me at the moment. --[[User:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|Danny252Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 1809:4844, 5 March 2015 6 August 2017 (UTC)

::::Thanks - I meant to say, 'll keep manually updating if you need help interpreting the logs then feel free I remember and nobody else beats me to ask, seeing as it's the sort of thing I'm supposed to know about profesionally! .--[[User:WillSaltRobin|WillSaltRobin]] ([[User talk:WillSaltRobin|talk]]) 2005:0551, 5 March 2015 7 August 2017 (UTC)

I've manually removed a lot of the spam accounts: For completeness, which whilst blocked and unable to be used, were still in existence and cluttering up various pages (e.g. the user list, which this issue has gone from 300 to 30). This means that their been "contributionssolved" will likely have reverted to show just their IP addresses - don't worrythrough the use of the Svrwikibot, this doesnper Graham't mean that unregistered users have been editing the site! s suggestion --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 0914:2807, 6 March 2015 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Interesting As of today it's bringing up the page for February 28th, in error --[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 15:24, 7 March 2022 (UTC):It's been broken for a while now. Danny's Wikibot seems to stop working after about 6 months, and once it does then the 'featureon this day' link only refreshes (as far as logged out users are concerned) when there is that a change saved on the Recent Changes now shows your own IP address as home page (ie usually every Monday when I update the source article of the former spam accountsweek link! Gave me ) I don't know to restart the Wikibot - it needs someone with access to the back end and a bit of knowledge. Maybe Graham or Will could have a minor heart attack look at first! some point? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1415:2937, 6 7 March 2015 2022 (UTC)

After my last comment on this page===Pages loading incorrectly when logged out===I'm finding a few pages which aren't loading correctly when not logged in, for example [[User:Danny252|Danny252GWR 80684 Ballast Wagon]] and [[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham]]gave me FTP and CPanel access to . It reports part of the site, and I had a bit of a chat with Danny about what I found content being not secure and what I thought could do with tidying up (hang on whilst I pop my Sensible Professional IT Consultant hat on...). The end result is: I have just finished doing a big cleanup and deleted just about everything that wasn't needed referring to run something in version 1241 which was the version before the current install of MediaWiki (I did leave a huge debug log that was hanging about https upgrade. Happens in case anybody wanted it)both Chrome and IE. I '''did''' take a backup before I did itIt loads fine when logged in, so if you're worried that anything has gone missing, don't be. Please let me know if anything now appears to be weirdly broken, but I assume it shouldn't may beanother caching issue. The point of the cleanup is: although everyone else has already done sterling work at disabling the configuration of Did we have a back end utility for refreshing all the old installs, making sure that they're not linked anywhere, pages and if so on, getting rid could one of extraneous stuff altogether is the best way of reducing the "attack surface" - the number of places people could get in, possibly using hacks we're not ourselves aware of. admins run it? --[[User:WillSaltRobin|WillSaltRobin]] ([[User talk:WillSaltRobin|talk]]) 2217:2853, 8 March 2015 15 December 2017 (UTC)

==Stourport : I wasn't getting a secure content warning, but the page wasn't loading correctly for me either. I can't say I understand where these odd little issues come from! I've fixed that page manually, and Tenbury branches==I think I found a script I can set to run every so often to clear the whole cache - did you identify any other pages, and if so, can you check them now? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 16:27, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Would ::I selected about 10 other Wagons pages at random and found these - [[BR General Goods Containers]] / [[BR 993898 'Shark' Ballast Plough Brake]] / [[GWR 125059 Covered Goods Van (body only)]]. There may be others, although I've not noticed any other than wagons pages thus far. Not a lot I can add on the diagnostices, except:::*IE shows a text only page, and it be more correct includes a line saying for example ''<nowiki>Retrieved from ‘http://www.svrwiki.com/version1241/index.php?title=BR_General_Goods_Containers&oldid=8055’</nowiki>''. Clicking the link takes you to refer to these as the Stourport Line and Wyre Forest Line old page on the map and alter non-secure site. It also shows a box at the bottom "Only secure content displayed." ::*Chrome does the same but without the linkspop up box. ::--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 22:00, page titles and redirects to suit?16 December 2017 (UTC)

:My inclination would be not to bother (to ::I get the casual SVR visitor, both are branches off the line same text-only page displayed as you get with IE. The fact they are on). 're still showing like that at least means that my attempted fixes so far didn't work! The former was simply a continuation of "retrieved from" is apparently not the old SVR rather than a line in error itself. The latter seems interchangeable between Wyre Forest Line- the text is usually hidden by the page style, Tenbury Line and Tenbury Branch; Google favours the former but fact the page isn't loading the style (or any pictures) is why that occurs. I'd be interested to dig out ve reset some original sources more of the cache settings, which seems to see what the commonest usage was at the timehave fixed it. I don't think anyone browsing the wiki will get too confused as it standsunderstand some of this dark voodoo...--[[User:RobinDanny252|RobinDanny252]] ([[User talk:RobinDanny252|talk]]) 18:3224, 6 February 2015 18 December 2017 (UTC)

OK, ===Loss of session data===In the last few weeks I've changed the link on the map to point noticed that from time to Wyre Forest Line, while keeping "Tenbury Branch" on time the map itselfWiki is logging me off in mid-edit. As the Wyre Forest Line article saysWith a normal log in, most Kidderminster my status is changed to Bewdley trains continued towards Tenbury, so if anything, logged out (ie the Bridgnorth line was top right button reverts to 'Log in') and of course I can't save the branchpage. HoweverIf I have selected "stay logged in" when logging in, going by the fact that top right button is still showing 'Log out' but I get the disused line branches away at 90 degrees from message ''Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. You might have been logged out.'' Abandoning the currently used line, edit and restarting it seems more intuitive then works fine without actually needing to refer to it as the branch log out and in a modern contextagain.Is there anything unusual happening at the server back end?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:20, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

==Logo=Missing Signature button===Would Prompted by Patrick's comments "''(can't find the date stamp)''" in several posts in [[Query Corner#Santa services|Query Corner]], it be a good idea to appears that recent versions of MediaWiki have a suitable SVR image or logo on removed the main pagesignature button that used to be shown when editing 'normal' pages; it still appears when editing Discussion pages. For There is a visitor seeing '''[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgExtraSignatureNamespaces configuration variable available here]''' which allows the page for button to be added back in specific pages. Could one of the first time, admins see if it would give them some idea what it was all about. Yes, I know it should is possible to add this configuration variable so the button can be obviousput back in Query Corner? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:58, but29 November 2018 (UTC):Done.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10:00, 30 November 2018 (UTC)::Thanks..... --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:53, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

[[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 00===Service Unavailable message===While I'm in the Bug reports page, I'm seeing a message from time to time as follows:09, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I've been thinking the same (I just mentioned it in one of the forum threads) Service Unavailable<br> The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. I guess the main question is whether the SVR would be happy with us using its logo - it's starting <br> Additionally, a 503 Service Unavailable error was encountered while trying to sound like we'll need use an ErrorDocument to get in contact with handle the office at some point on a few of these thingsrequest. If they decide not, does someone feel suitably arty?

It is usually when requesting a special page like 'recent changes' but occasionally when accessing a normal page. Been happening for a couple of months now. Another one for Graham or Will to have a look at if possible? --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 0915:2341, 13 January 2015 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps in the meanwhile we should've adopted the SVR Online logo. Also; starting to add headings here to separate topics. I hope you're all OK with this. [[== User:Boldford|Boldford]] ([[User talk:Boldford|talk]]) 09:39, 1 February 2015 (UTC)permissions ==

I emailed marketing@svrlive.com on 16th January to ask permission to use 've modified the official SVR logouser permissions so that new users can create articles and talk pages without being marked "trustworthy". I haven't heard back yetfound it a bit odd that having created a new user, so Icouldn've gone and used it anywayt edit my own user page... If I get Given that spambots are a threatening letter from their solicitorsnon-issue now, Ihopefully we'll change it back againbe ok. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 0709:5625, 2 February 2015 9 October 2017 (UTC)

==Location==WeI'll probably spend a lot of time providing info about the SVRm playing around with making an "svrwikibot", but we also need mainly to show where it is for people who come across this wiki & decide do the front page update that Robin currently does. I've gone with the railway might be worth a visit[https://www.mediawiki. So, for those arty people amongst usorg/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot Pywikibot] framework, how about finding because a suitable size image of the UK that ) I can be used, with a highlighted area showing exactly where the Railway is, then showing an enlargement of the area alongside the UK image with the main stations highlighted code Python and the course of the railwayb) it works.

If anyone has other ideas for things we could get the bot to do, let me know. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 09:27, 9 October 2017 (UTC): Alright, hold your breath - if it's working, the bot will now update the main page comment at 5am BST (4am GMT) daily... --[[User:SharpoDanny252|SharpoDanny252]] ([[User talk:SharpoDanny252|talk]]) 1110:3901, 13 January 2015 9 October 2017 (UTC)

On the subject of maps::If there was a 'like' button on here, I've adapted d press it! I'm not sure about other functions for it to carry out. Most of the map at [https:bot edits I come across on Wikipedia tend to be formatting and housekeeping, things like stripping leading and trailing spaces in tables, changing links and references separated by <nowiki><br><//ennowiki> to bullet format and so on.wikipediaNot a particular priority here in my view.org/wiki/Template:Severn_Valley_Railway_map] to only show as much One of the SVR as is currently in use. It works OK them moves references after closing punctuation, which would cause a problem on here because of our formatting issue (see my [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Graham_Phillips_110/sandbox my sandboxRobin|user page]]), but not here http://www.svrwiki.com/Map.<br>which I gather I need to import think is caused by the template that conflict with the map is based terminology add-on, but (whose name I canforget). Presumably we haven't find instructions on how to do got anywhere with resolving that.<br>I was going to duplicate the full GWR/SVR map and create a more detailed map, showing more features as well.<br>Is it worth persevering, or would it just be easier to create the maps some other wayone?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 14:10:42, 14 January 2015 10 October 2017 (UTC)

::: The addon in question is "Lingo". I was looking on remember hoping/expecting the internet yesterday for suitable maps & saw that very same pagesoftware update earlier this year would fix it. However, it didn't, then thought and at the time I would do did put in a tracing from a map & then create my own simple map from that - then scan & upload itreport about the issue still being present. It was then I realised I was spending time on this instead of doing other things!! In answer to your questionLooking back at the bug report, I donthere't know how to edit that template to how you want its been no response or fix yet. May be better to draw a new version? --[[User:SharpoDanny252|SharpoDanny252]] ([[User talk:SharpoDanny252|talk]]) 1108:0038, 14 January 2015 12 October 2017 (UTC)

::::Thanks, I think the main issue is that the map requires thought it was a standard set of images (about 3000!) short name like that exist on Wikipedia, which you can tile together to show the layout (e.g. plain track, station, disused station, and so on), as well as all the templates it pulls in. It might be possible to copy it over's not a showstopper, but I don't know if it would be a good idea to pick and choose the bits we want, or alternatively to copy ll just keep putting references inside punctuation at the whole lot over with a lot end of redundant bitsformatted paragraphs pending developments. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 13:53, but with the flexibility to make more in future. 12 October 2017 (UTC)

::A small update to say that the bot seems to be working away quite happily, and on the few occasions I've checked, the "On this day" link has been correct. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 1214:1504, 14 January 2015 30 October 2017 (UTC)

I was hoping it would be possible to import :Page history suggests the template and just those icons used as it's a handy way of linking directly to stations bot last updated on the line directly from the map.I was then going to create a more detailed map showing all the bridges etc. with a link to each.Maybe I'm asking too much and it would be best to stick to a normal image file of a map.7 April? --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1223:5534, 14 January 2015 11 April 2018 (UTC)

::Indeed! It seems I remember years ago using some free software that allowed me might have to add links from a word occasionally re-confirm the login details, or words pasted into an image on my site. There may be something similar for a wiki if you have time else that it somehow forgot how to try & search for itlogin. This was the sort of thing I just found after a search, but not within a wiki - http-[[User://www.onextrapixel.com/examples/image-map/Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 09:29, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Back :Message for Graham in Dan's absence. Just noticed the Bot stopped working again, just found an example on a wiki9 October 2018 so if you are not logged in, there is an image where you can click on the different people you can seeOn this day link goes to the last day the page was updated rather than the current day. http://wwwIt may be a coincidence but both times it seems to have stopped after 6 months.mediawikiCould you have a look please? TIA.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap--[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1510:0942, 14 January 2015 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Wow, took me a few hours to understand it===Railway Heritage Register links update===The Railway Heritage Register Carriage Survey and Wagon Survey have historically been hosted on vintagecarriagestrust.org, but I have learnt how are permanently moving to create more than one link from within an image within a wikinew host on 9 April. My own wiki From a quick test included 2 locos today, the record numbers within URLs are the same on the old and new host, therefore all that is needed in the links is to update the host address. There is a photo & moving second problem in that the text within the link normally takes the cursor to either form of the locos '... on vintagecarriagestrust.org' which also needs updating (for simplicity and clarity I suggest using '... on Railway Heritage Register On-Line' for both Carriages and Wagons). It would give be a great help if these changes could be done by the bot. The 'search and replace' involved is:*Step 1: replace '''cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''cs.rhrp.org.uk'''*Step 2: replace '''ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''ws.rhrp.org.uk'''*Step 3: replace '''on vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''on Railway Heritage Register On-Line'''Steps 1 and 2 should fix the relevant URLs, and step 3 the link wording for at least the majority of links. There are links in a number of different areas including current and former carriages and wagons etc.Hope that locois possible. --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 2117:4023, 14 January 2015 27 February 2019 (UTC)

== Mobile view ==:Idon've been spending far too long on t think this has cropped up before. I have just noticed that Navboxes do not appear in Mobile view. This is apparently deliberate, as welldetailed in [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124168 this article]. In most cases they are probably a 'nice to have' rather than essential to navigation, but I've finally got there.<br>Click on the town names on the in [[Map | MapThe Severn Valley Railway in preservation]] they are currently the only method of navigating to other history pages.<br> It takes should be possible to create the same links in a bit table instead of trial and error a Navbox which may be the answer in that instance. Something to get the box coordinates bear in the right placemind as we create future pages, particularly as mobile devices are increasingly used for browsing. Any thoughts or suggestions welcome. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:03, but 13 April 2018 (UTC)::Update; I think this is duly added a better table rather than a Navbox which works OK in Mobile view. We just have to remember to update that table at the standard route map as it allows linking of nearby features of interest, such same time as updating the Engine HouseTemplate:TimelineNavbox. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 0122:4635, 15 January 2015 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Some good :Something else I found that appears not to work therein Mobile view. The main thing now is [[Unsuccessful proposals for railways in the Severn Valley]] page has a statement <nowiki><div class="toclimit-2">__TOC__</div></nowiki> to get limit the number of items in the table of contents. The level 3 headings should be suppressed but appear in Mobile view. Not a suitable map major issue, but annoying!-- [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 22:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC)::Problem solved, thanks to help from the OS maps will presumably somewhat awkwardMediawiki Project:Suport Desk --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 22:37, given 2 January 2020 (UTC):::Thanks. I see in their response that the "Kidderminster" label is nearer to Bewdley Station than Kidderwe're due a MediaWiki version update - good luck! --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 1023:1417, 15 2 January 2015 2020 (UTC)

==Making changes== Up to now, everyoneI's been making changes without consulting anyone else. There haven't been any disputes yet, but should we ll be putting things to a vote first?<br>Minor edits busy for much of text should be OK, but what about more conspicuous changes like adding the maps and logo? I just went ahead and did it. Should we have discussed it first? I can easily undo it.<br>Should we have a picture on the front page? How do we pick one?<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 08:43next few weeks with moving, 31 January 2015 (UTC) If you decide to have a picture on the front page, keep it interesting by changing it every week. Otherwise, once this wiki nears completion (if that is ever likely to happen) people aren't likely to look at it very often. [[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 13:46, 31 January 2015 (UTC) :My 10p worth is so long as you think it is an improvementhoneymoon, carry on and add/edit as necessary which is the idea of a Wiki; stopping for votes just delays things. Worth adding a note in the summary if comment is required, eg if I had a better logo (which I don’t!) I would upload it and say “shall we try this instead?”.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:32, 31 January 2015 (UTC) whatever else I've "protected" the front page, logo and maps to prevent any malicious edits. We haven't had much spam yet, but there was the possibility that forgotten - if someone could alter the front page to something unwanted. If anyone else wants to make a genuine edit, they can put it here on the Talk page and one of the administrators can do it.<br>I created the logo in Paint on my PC and thought I'd got a reasonably good match for the chocolate & cream. The cream looks a bit beige now on my chromebook. If anyone's got the correct colour codes, I'll do a new one.<br>I don't know if a picture as well as the two maps would be too much though?<br>There's a random image extension for wikimedia which can be installed.<br>One idea I had was a long thin picture of a full train in profile, taking up the full width of the page, but only a couple of lines worth of depth. The picture could be selected at random from one of each carriage set. Worth a try?<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 09:27, 1 February 2015 (UTC) I decided to tweak the wording a bit - please revert it if you don't like it! --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:14, 16 December 2016 (UTC) == Image of the month == A couple of thoughts on pictures, following a revisit to Festipedia.:They have a picture of the month on the front page. Would that be a reasonable frequency to adopt, especially as the mods would presumably have to change it?:They also have a lot of historical photos 'from the collection', especially on the loco pages. Does the SVR have a similar collection (Kidderminster Railway Museum?) and if so, is anyone on speaking terms with the owner(s) who could broach the subject of adding some here? Particularly the SVR in GWR days and SVR locos in original service (did any of our current locos definitely work on the original SVR?), and also early days of the SVR in preservation.<br>--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 12:52, 2 February 2015 (UTC)::I'm planning to go down to the KRM this weekend at doing featured articles for their signalling exhibition, and I'll have a go at mentioning this. I don't know whether they've got any plan to digitise their collectionfew weeks, but if so it would likely be a good source of images. feel free! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 1210:5743, 11 June 2015 29 May 2018 (UTC) == Using images with unknown copyright == I've avoided doing so until now, but uncredited photos keep turning up on Facebook and it seems a shame it miss out on them, so I've added two to the [[Dowles Bridge]] page with what I hope is a suitable "Get out :Best of jail free" disclaimer. Even luck with an 1868 photo, there's no guarantee that the copyright has expired under the 70 year rule. Any thoughts on the legality of this ?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 07:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC) : What I've not yet worked out is whether the copyright is (or everything! An open invitation at least can be) "extended" if the work is sold to someone else - if I buy a collection of old photos, do I get any rights, or is it still all linked time for anyone to the original author (unless pick an article they specifically give some permission/waiver)? Equally, I'm not sure if digitising a piece of work is ever able would like to extend copyright (e.g. if I scan an old photofeature, do I get rights over the scan of somebody else's work?). If neither of those apply, then either by adding it's 70 years from the production of the work ''if the author is not known'', themselves or 70 years after their death if it is (so for an 1868 photo, the author would have had to survive until 1946). --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 16:30, 30 January 2016 (UTC) ::Regarding whether you can extend copyright by digitising a piece of work, the Ordnance Survey relinquishes crown copyright after 50 years as per the link I posted [[Tips for contributing to the SVR Wiki#Ordnance Survey Maps / Crown Copyright | here]]. However the National Library of Scotland claims copyright over their scans of OS maps which are older than that, hence it appears you can do so (letting me know and I have updated all the OS extracts accordingly).--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC) ==Changes needed please==A section to note any amendments needed on this page for the attention of the administrators. Suggest we delete items when done to keep the list current. == Article/page count == I've removed the line in the introduction that gave the current number of articles/images on the wiki. I had recently noticed the main page was taking much longer to access than any other page, and that other pages would not load until the main page was loaded, implying ll add it was somehow locking up a large number of resources. Removing the page/image counts, which were probably re-counted each time the page was opened, appears to have significantly improved the speed! I suspect this is a combination of the actual article counting process being slow for some reason, as well as the main page having to be generated from scratch each time it was viewed (in case the counts had changed) which There is quite a slow process... --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talkCategory:Danny252Featured articles|talkCategory page]]) 08:47, 12 July 2016 (UTC):Does seem quicker - no great loss not having which lists the informationarticles already featured. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC) == Wiki content license == It was realised earlier today that it was never made clear what license was applied to content on the Wiki, with the exception of uploaded files (where a license is picked on uploading). I've applied the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 license], the same as is used on Wikipedia - this license If nobody else does not apply if a different license is specified (e.g. uploaded images). If you have any complaints, speak now, or forever hold your peace! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 22:34, 19 November 2016 (UTC) :No complaints, but could you tweak the site settings to include the CC icon in the button at the foot of the page where currently is just shows 'Creative'. Found [https://creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?license_code=by-sa&amp;jurisdiction=&amp;version=3.0&amp;lang=en this page of instructions] which may help. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:45, 24 November 2016 (UTC) ::Like so? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 21:04, 24 November 2016 (UTC) :::That looks better, thanks!--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 21:11, 24 November 2016 (UTC) == SVR photographic guide == This comes up periodically. There is no published guide of publicly available photo locations. There is an old thread at http://railways.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/page-2 with quite a lot of info and a thread around Pacific Power. I'm not a photographer but a guide would be useful. It would need some thought thougharticle, so as initial suggestions what it might include:Work north to SouthLocation nameGPSOS referenceMeans of accessParticular restrictionsTips - better in the afternoon than morning type thingExample photo Also a does and don'ts section (trespass etc.) Thoughts?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 10:55, 19 December 2016 (UTC):I'd erred away from doing one in the past, in case the SVR considered it ll try to be encouraging people to photograph from lineside (even in legitimate viewing locations) rather than paying to visit the railway. However the SVR itself gave keep updating them on a number of possible viewing locations for Pacific Power, so maybe not considered an issue? If we do add one, your suggestions would be a good startweekly basis.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:5913, 29 December 2016 (UTC) Official response from Lewis Maddox: "Great idea, if you need any photos let me know." So, going back to the original post, what's the best way of setting it up? Does it need a table with the headings I suggested. Is there a better way? This might be one where a little thought and input from photographers is worthwhile...--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 13:06, 4 January 2017 (UTC) :Just while thinking about it, on the [[Current events on the Severn Valley Railway]] page, I put a comment relating to SVR Live that "Information which is publicly accessible for enthusiasts includes Traffic Notices, Working Timetables, '''lineside photography policy and application forms''', and so on." However I can't see photography policy on the new version, or on the SVR website either. Any idea where they would be found these days?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:50, 4 January 2017 (UTC) :In terms of setting it up, the unofficial WSR site WSR.ORG.UK has a photography section [http://www.wsr.org.uk/r-photters.htm here]. There may be some good ideas to be had from it.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:55, 4 January 2017 May 2018 (UTC)