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==SpambotsSVR Unofficial Forum and National Preservation links (March 2018, updated February 2024) ==There are many links to these sources but both have moved, viz:*All requests to access the forum via https://forum.svra.org.uk should automatically be forwarded onto https://forum.svr-online.org.uk. However, please update any Bookmarks you may have and start using the new address. EDIT: February 2024, use https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ *<nowiki>http://railway.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/</nowiki> is now https://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/Are there any tools that can be run which at least changes the root? Or any clever ideas?:Maybe the SVR Wiki Bot could hunt for those links and edit as appropriate? One for Dan?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 14:48, 4 March 2018 (UTC)::The bot probably is the simplest answer - I'd usually just run a search-and-replace on the text, but it's all squirreled away in a database, which is a little more difficult! This also happens to be the first I've heard of the change, given that the old link is inaccessible for me due to the security configuration of the old forum address being incorrect. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC):::Turns out the bot comes with a script for text replacement included - I guess it's not that surprising! It's currently working its way through the wiki. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:35, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::I've managed to get the SVRA forum ones, but the only match the bot is finding for the NatPres link given is this page. Could someone link a page where the link is used so I can see what I've got wrong? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)::::[[The Waterman Railway Heritage Trust]], reference 5 for example. It normally appears in references rather than the body text if that makes a difference. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:06, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::::Aha, there's a change at the start of the link (railways.national-preservation vs. www.national-preservation) - I'd only noticed the addition of the number after the thread name. Hence I'd been searching for "www.national-preservation[...]" and only finding the new, corrected link above. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)::::::...having actually done it, the only references to railways.national-preservation.com are on this talk page and the one you linked. I can't find any references to the SVR photo guide forum thread that aren't on this page, and all other nat-pres links I can find (by directly searching through a text dump of the whole wiki) look like they should work. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:24, 8 March 2018 (UTC):::I noticed that SVRLive links should also be HTTPS, although again they were forwarding automatically. Having decided to do a manual search, hopefully all Nat-Pres, SVR-Online forum and SVRLive links in the Wiki are now HTTPS.:February 2024: the history of the SVR forum can be accessed via the Wayback internet archive at https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ --[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 15:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

This comes up periodically. There is no published guide of publicly available photo locations. There is an old thread at http://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/page-2 with quite a lot of info and a thread around Pacific Power. I've been modifying the Captcha questions m not a photographer but a guide would be useful. It would need some thought though, so as initial suggestions what it might include:Work north to try and find what works best, and SouthLocation nameGPSOS referenceMeans of accessParticular restrictionsTips - better in the number at least seems to be reduced.afternoon than morning type thingExample photo

As an additional measure, IAlso a does and don've also enabled blacklisting of known spam sources, as per [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam#DNSBL this ts section], and have turned on the requirement for email addresses to be verified (I noted that none of the bots had emails registeredtrespass etc.). I note there's a couple of people who haven't got confirmed email addresses, but most people should be fine - if you need to confirm your address, you can find the option under "Preferences" in the top right corner, then by scrolling down to almost the bottom of the page of options.

Thoughts?--[[User:Danny252Patrick Hearn|Danny252Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Danny252Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 1610:4155, 6 February 2015 19 December 2016 (UTC):I'd erred away from doing one in the past, in case the SVR considered it to be encouraging people to photograph from lineside (even in legitimate viewing locations) rather than paying to visit the railway. However the SVR itself gave a number of possible viewing locations for Pacific Power, so maybe not considered an issue? If we do add one, your suggestions would be a good start.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:59, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

I've enabled [httpOfficial response from Lewis Maddox://www"Great idea, if you need any photos let me know.mediawiki" So, going back to the original post, what's the best way of setting it up? Does it need a table with the headings I suggested.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist Is there a better way? This might be one where a similar blacklist] as welllittle thought and input from photographers is worthwhile...--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 2213:3206, 6 February 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

We changed :Just while thinking about it, on the [[Current events on the Capcha question Severn Valley Railway]] page, I put a comment relating to a dynamic one SVR Live that "Information which should have been harder is publicly accessible for spambots to crack.<br>It wasnenthusiasts includes Traffic Notices, Working Timetables, '''lineside photography policy and application forms't working as well as hoped, so I have now reworded the question to see if that's any better.<br>I believe it's possible to create different user groups with different posting rights, and so we could, for example move all the proven genuine contributors to a on."trusted" group so that they donHowever I can't have see photography policy on the new version, or on the inconvenience of having to solve a little puzzle every time SVR website either. Any idea where they want to make an edit. I'll look in to that later.<br>would be found these days?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1016:1350, 2 March 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Within an hour of making ::When I looked earlier this year, the lineside photography information available on the above changes, we had a load more spam.<br>It seems old site seemed to follow a set pattern be horribly out of creating a new account date, and then a User Page, so I have disabled upon enquiring directly with the ability for the default user groupSVR on Facebook, "User", to create pages and manually added all the genuine contributors to a new User Group "Trustworthy".<br>If response I have missed you out, or if you have any other problems, you should still be able to edit this page, so either reply here, email got gave methe impression they were only interested in direct inquiries, or post on the forum or Facebook page and I'll sort rather than advertising it out.<br>online? --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 1209:5152, 2 March 2015 5 January 2017 (UTC)

I've moved all :In terms of setting it up, the known genuine contributors to unofficial WSR site WSR.ORG.UK has a "Trustworthy" user group and removed page creation rights from all othersphotography section [http://www.wsr.org.uk/r-photters.<br>They're still getting through though somehow, so I have just disabled the ability to write directly to the APIhtm here].<br>I'm not too sure what this means myself, but I think it's a way There may be some good ideas to bypass the normal page creation method and, as I can't see any legitimate reason to use be had from it, and there was an option to disable it, that's what I've done.<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1716:0755, 3 March 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

: :Thank you. A job for when I suspect that that is how they were getting through without page creation rights - basically it means sending the command to create a page directly without loading up the "Creating page..." form first.have some time :)--[[User:WillSaltPatrick Hearn|WillSaltPatrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:WillSaltPatrick Hearn|talk]]) 2212:1728, 3 March 2015 18 January 2017 (UTC)

:::As a low grade entry point I note that have added to the bots seem [[Bewdley International Airport|Bewdley Airport]] page some basic details with an idea to be registering, but not actually making any edits currently - am I right to think that? add a simple [[From The last time that I can see a spam Window]] type guide page *created* is the 27th of Febwhen locations are populated. I've also fiddled with the settings a bit moreWhat do people think?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 10:55, and it definitely should be only allowing users with confirmed emails to edit/create/whatever now 11 February 2018 (plus the Trustworthy group, of courseUTC).

::::Looks good. I've added some directions. It would be good to illustrate each page with a photo taken from that location as well. --[[User:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|Danny252Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10:0234, 4 March 2015 12 February 2018 (UTC)

==Locomotives hired to or visiting other railways==We have sections for locos coming in, are there equivalents for SVR-resident locos going the other way? I can't find any. TIA--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 12:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC): Off the top of my head, no section exists yet. The pattern has changed slightly. exception would be for [[The spammers Severn Valley Railway on the main line|main line excursions]], which are listed on the linked locomotive pages, but not many of those happen these days! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 13:09, 18 January 2017 (UTC)::Some individual loco pages also mention longer term hires to other railways, but you're right in that there is no longer create their own user equivalent section for gala appearances elsewhere. No reason we couldn't have such a page, they create but it would be a separate major exercise to backfill the history.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:50, 18 January 2017 (UTC):::Thanks both. Do you think we should we start one with 2017 galas out as an incomplete page complete with spam title.<br>, and allow people to backfill? Or let it ride?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 02:43, 19 January 2017 (UTC)I::::If you've asked for advice on re eager, go ahead - just look how the [httpshttp://www.mediawikisvrwiki.orgcom/wikiversion1241/Project:Support_desk#xindex.24wgGroupPermissions_not_preventing_spammers_creating_new_pages_54546 php?title=Steam_Locomotives_visiting_the_SVR_for_galas&oldid=1151 gala visitors] page started! I have to admit I don't really know where to find historical information; the Mediawiki support desk] and got some interestSVR News sometimes mentions locos going off on hire, but not a solution yet.<br>It looks like my next step I don't know if this is comprehensive? Then again, I'm sure Robin will find all the information about 7714's visit to work out how to access the access logLittle Piddling and Nowhere Railway's 1976 gala... I had a quick look earlier--[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:44, but it's not as simple 19 January 2017 (UTC):::::It must have been there as I hoped. I'll put a bit more time in static exhibit - according to the SVR Wiki it laterwasn't steamed until 1992.<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 13:10:43, 4 March 2015 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Seems the bots may be smart enough to confirm emails as well, so ==Bug reports=====Navbox error===I've removed that change I did, so it should be back to how it is. Regarding the comment m seeing <nowiki>{{#invoke:Navbox|navbox}}</nowiki> instead of Navboxes appearing on the helpdesk query about alternate access to carriage and loco pages. Anyone else? Can one of the databaseadministrators have a look please? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC):It was something I've made sure that the old versions of wikis we had installed are now unable did without realising by altering parser settings while trying to convert page names to dates and vice versa. It should be used at allworking again now. They shouldn't have been at all accessible--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 16:48, but now they won't work even if they are16 May 2017 (UTC)::Yes fixed. Belated thanks. --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 1116:4918, 4 March 2015 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Would ===On this day refresh error===Another oddity. When I first access the home page without being logged in, the "On this day" link shows May 18. As soon as I log in, it be an idea refreshes correctly. Any ideas? Is it some sort of caching issue? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC):I was getting that as well. It was caused by <nowiki>{{#time:}} using "the time the page was last rendered into HTML" rather than the current time. For some reason, it would always default to May 18, even immediately after logging out after displaying the correct date while logged in. I've changed it now to read {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} and {{CURRENTDAY}} which do exactly what their names suggest.</nowiki> It seems to remove have solved the mediawiki files problem on the wiki itself, although I don't know if there may still be a caching problem for individual users. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 00:56, 25 May 2017 (UTC)::I'm aware that arenit is still not working as it should. Editing the page also updates the displayed date, so the error doesn't being used from show up until a day later, which makes it a slow job fixing it by trial and error. I've asked for help on the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Traumjses54rw4ao Mediawiki Project Support Desk]--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 08:58, 27 May 2017 (UTC):::I think it's working now. If you want an explanation...The various Time and Date functions use the time the page was last rendered in to HTML. For a logged in user, that will be their current session, for a non-logged in user, it is the time the page was last modified, as shown at the bottom of every page. By linking to the server? There internal On This Day page as if it was an external link, it seems to be 3 installations creating the link using the real current time, even when logged out.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 22:52, 28 May 2017 (UTC)::::Another minor bug fixed. As the wiki was seeing the On This Day page as an external link, it was opening in a new tab, rather than the same tab like all other internal links. I couldn't fix it properly, so the external link is now displayed as a single full stop right at the bottom of the page, I couldn't make it completely invisible. Just having the link somewhere on the page forces all dates to work correctly, so now the internal link works as it should. There's another minor bug in that the wikiis set to GMT and is not adjusting for BST. I might look in to that one at some point as well. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 07:25, 29 May 2017 (UTC):::I really think I've got it this time. What was confusing me was the random image on the Main Page Test page which was causing that page to refresh every time it was viewed, whether logged in or not, 2 of which are the proper Main Page wasn't doing. I've now set up the Main Page to automatically refresh every time. I thought this might slow down loading, but it doesn't seem to make any difference. What was slowing everything down was fetching nine individual images from Wikimedia Commons for the schematic map. I've now duplicated these locally, so not only does the early days and no longer neededpage load a lot faster, logging in is a lot quicker as well.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 14:55, 2 June 2017 (?UTC) ::::Thanks for spending the time on it! It would be an idea to update the pre- 1963 map page to use local icons as well; it can be very hit and miss loading at times. (Not meant as a request, happy to do it myself when time permits). ::::Probably a bit late to ask this as were are closing in on 100 individual Day pages, but is still possible there anything in them which could be better handled in a template called to view those pages if each page, rather than the block of text we copy and paste each time?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:32, 2 June 2017 (UTC):::I'd already started on the other maps when you replied. Consider it done. Yes, now I know how easy it is to create and call a template, that would be a better way of getting the forward and back dates. I did wonder if it might be better if the links just said "Previous" and "Next" rather than the date, but that would mean going back and altering all the url to useexisting ones for consistency. --[[User:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|SharpoGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 1416:0049, 4 March 2015 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Just found :I thought it had been working fine, but today it is linking to June 20 when not logged in, even though a page exists for June 25. Not sure if it is a way to access logscoincidence, but the home page was last edited on June 20. Has anything changed in the back end, could be useful info apart from switching Lingo back on? -- once I understand it more!! [[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1719:1658, 4 March 2015 25 June 2017 (UTC)

::Another thing I did earlier today was to update some of the spam blacklists weoddity with 'On this day in history've got setup. In some discussion with Sharpo over the access logs just now When logged out, I can see that a number of the IP addresses werennext and previous page links on 'August 4't being caught beforeand other days works fine. When I log in they stop working, but should be replaced by a grey box with a dash in. Not sure how long it has been happening - anyone else getting the new settings. same and if so, any idea why? --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 2114:5537, 4 March 2015 August 2017 (UTC)

==Stourport :::It took a bit of trial and Tenbury branches==error, but I've finally got the Previous & Next links working. It turns out it needs spaces either side of the + & - signs when searching for Pagename + 1 day etc. I've got no idea why it worked when logged out, but not when logged in, or why it used to work and then stopped working, but it works now. I'm still stuck on the out of date On This Day link though. It looks like we need a bot to automatically edit the page at 00:01 every day, but creating a bot is beyond me at the moment.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 09:44, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Would ::::Thanks - I'll keep manually updating if I remember and nobody else beats me to it be more correct to refer to these as the Stourport Line and Wyre Forest Line on the map and alter the links.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 05:51, page titles and redirects to suit?7 August 2017 (UTC)

:My inclination would be not to bother (to the casual SVR visitorFor completeness, both are branches off this issue has been "solved" through the line they are on). The former was simply a continuation use of the old SVR rather than a line in itself. The latter seems interchangeable between Wyre Forest LineSvrwikibot, Tenbury Line and Tenbury Branch; Google favours the former but I'd be interested to dig out some original sources to see what the commonest usage was at the time. I donper Graham't think anyone browsing the wiki will get too confused as it stands.s suggestion --[[User:RobinDanny252|RobinDanny252]] ([[User talk:RobinDanny252|talk]]) 1814:3207, 6 February 2015 30 October 2017 (UTC)

OK, IAs of today it've changed s bringing up the link on the map to point to Wyre Forest Linepage for February 28th, in error --[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 15:24, 7 March 2022 (UTC):It's been broken for a while keeping "Tenbury Branch" on the map itselfnow. As the Wyre Forest Line article says, most Kidderminster Danny's Wikibot seems to Bewdley trains continued towards Tenbury, so if anythingstop working after about 6 months, and once it does then the Bridgnorth line was 'on this day' link only refreshes (as far as logged out users are concerned) when there is a change saved on the branch. However, going by home page (ie usually every Monday when I update the fact that article of the disused line branches away at 90 degrees from week link!) I don't know to restart the currently used line, Wikibot - it seems more intuitive needs someone with access to refer to it as the branch in back end and a modern contextbit of knowledge.Maybe Graham or Will could have a look at some point? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:37, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

==Logo=Pages loading incorrectly when logged out===Would it be I'm finding a good idea few pages which aren't loading correctly when not logged in, for example [[GWR 80684 Ballast Wagon]]. It reports part of the content being not secure and is referring to have a suitable SVR image or logo on something in version 1241 which was the version before the main pagehttps upgrade. For Happens in both Chrome and IE. It loads fine when logged in, so I assume it may be another caching issue. Did we have a visitor seeing the page back end utility for refreshing all the first timepages and if so, could one of the admins run it would give them some idea what it was all about. Yes, I know it should be obvious? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:53, but...... 15 December 2017 (UTC)

: I wasn't getting a secure content warning, but the page wasn't loading correctly for me either. I can't say I understand where these odd little issues come from! I've fixed that page manually, and I think I found a script I can set to run every so often to clear the whole cache - did you identify any other pages, and if so, can you check them now? --[[User:SharpoDanny252|SharpoDanny252]] ([[User talk:SharpoDanny252|talk]]) 0016:0927, 13 January 2015 16 December 2017 (UTC)

::Iselected about 10 other Wagons pages at random and found these - [[BR General Goods Containers]] / [[BR 993898 've been thinking the same Shark' Ballast Plough Brake]] / [[GWR 125059 Covered Goods Van (body only)]]. There may be others, although I just mentioned it in one of the forum threads)'ve not noticed any other than wagons pages thus far. Not a lot I guess can add on the main question is whether the SVR would be happy with us using its logo - diagnostices, except:::*IE shows a text only page, and itincludes a line saying for example ''<nowiki>Retrieved from ‘http://www.svrwiki.com/version1241/index.php?title=BR_General_Goods_Containers&oldid=8055’</nowiki>'s starting to sound like we'll need . Clicking the link takes you to get in contact with the office at some point old page on the non-secure site. It also shows a few of these thingsbox at the bottom "Only secure content displayed." ::*Chrome does the same but without the pop up box. If they decide not::--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 22:00, does someone feel suitably arty?16 December 2017 (UTC)

:::I get the same text-only page displayed as you get with IE. The fact they're still showing like that at least means that my attempted fixes so far didn't work! The "retrieved from" is apparently not the error itself - the text is usually hidden by the page style, and the fact the page isn't loading the style (or any pictures) is why that occurs. I've reset some more of the cache settings, which seems to have fixed it. I don't understand some of this dark voodoo... --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 0918:2324, 13 January 2015 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps in ===Loss of session data===In the meanwhile we shouldlast few weeks I've adopted noticed that from time to time the SVR Online logoWiki is logging me off in mid-edit. Also; starting With a normal log in, my status is changed to add headings here logged out (ie the top right button reverts to separate topics'Log in') and of course I can't save the page. If I hope youhave selected "stay logged in" when logging in, the top right button is still showing 'Log out' but I get the message ''Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. You might have been logged out.''re all OK with thisAbandoning the edit and restarting it then works fine without actually needing to log out and in again. Is there anything unusual happening at the server back end?--[[User:BoldfordRobin|BoldfordRobin]] ([[User talk:BoldfordRobin|talk]]) 0916:3920, 1 February 2015 9 September 2018 (UTC)

I emailed marketing@svrlive.com on 16th January to ask permission to use ===Missing Signature button===Prompted by Patrick's comments "''(can't find the official SVR logo. I havendate stamp)''t heard back yet" in several posts in [[Query Corner#Santa services|Query Corner]], so Iit appears that recent versions of MediaWiki have removed the signature button that used to be shown when editing 'normal've gone and used pages; it anywaystill appears when editing Discussion pages. If I get There is a threatening letter from their solicitors, I'll change ''[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgExtraSignatureNamespaces configuration variable available here]''' which allows the button to be added back in specific pages. Could one of the admins see if it is possible to add this configuration variable so the button can be put back againin Query Corner? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC):Done. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 0710:00, 30 November 2018 (UTC)::Thanks. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:5653, 2 February 2015 30 November 2018 (UTC)

That logo looks much better! [[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 08===Service Unavailable message===While I'm in the Bug reports page, I'm seeing a message from time to time as follows:05, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

==Location== Service Unavailable<br>We'll probably spend a lot of time providing info about the SVR, but we also need The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to show where it is for people who come across this wiki & decide the railway might be worth a visitmaintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. So<br> Additionally, for those arty people amongst us, how about finding a suitable size image of the UK that can be used, with a highlighted area showing exactly where the Railway is, then showing 503 Service Unavailable error was encountered while trying to use an enlargement of the area alongside the UK image with the main stations highlighted and the course of ErrorDocument to handle the railwayrequest.

It is usually when requesting a special page like 'recent changes' but occasionally when accessing a normal page. Been happening for a couple of months now. Another one for Graham or Will to have a look at if possible? --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1115:3941, 13 January 2015 7 March 2022 (UTC)

On the subject of maps, I've adapted the map at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Severn_Valley_Railway_map] to only show as much of the SVR as is currently in use. It works OK on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/== User:Graham_Phillips_110/sandbox my sandbox], but not here http://www.svrwiki.com/Map.<br>I gather I need to import the template that the map is based on, but I can't find instructions on how to do that.<br>I was going to duplicate the full GWR/SVR map and create a more detailed map, showing more features as well.<br>Is it worth persevering, or would it just be easier to create the maps some other way?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10:42, 14 January 2015 (UTC)permissions ==

I was looking on 've modified the internet yesterday for suitable maps & saw user permissions so that very same page, then thought new users can create articles and talk pages without being marked "trustworthy". I would do found it a tracing from bit odd that having created a map & then create new user, I couldn't edit my own simple map from user page... Given that spambots are a non- then scan & upload it. It was then I realised I was spending time on this instead of doing other things!! In answer to your questionissue now, I donhopefully we't know how to edit that template to how you want itll be ok. May be better to draw a new version? --[[User:SharpoDanny252|SharpoDanny252]] ([[User talk:SharpoDanny252|talk]]) 1109:0025, 14 January 2015 9 October 2017 (UTC)

--I'm playing around with making an "svrwikibot", mainly to do the front page update that Robin currently does. I've gone with the [[Userhttps:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Danny252|talk]Pywikibot Pywikibot]framework, because a) 12:15, 14 January 2015 (UTCI can code Python and b)it works.

I was hoping it would be possible If anyone has other ideas for things we could get the bot to import the template and just those icons used as do, let me know. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 09:27, 9 October 2017 (UTC): Alright, hold your breath - if it's a handy way of linking directly to stations on working, the line directly from bot will now update the map.I was then going to create a more detailed map showing all the bridges etcmain page comment at 5am BST (4am GMT) daily. with a link to each.Maybe I'm asking too much and it would be best to stick to a normal image file of a map.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 1210:5501, 14 January 2015 9 October 2017 (UTC)

::If there was a 'like' button on here, I'd press it! I'm not sure about other functions for it to carry out. Most of the bot edits I remember years ago using some free software that allowed me come across on Wikipedia tend to add be formatting and housekeeping, things like stripping leading and trailing spaces in tables, changing links from a word or words pasted into an image and references separated by <nowiki><br></nowiki> to bullet format and so on my site. There may be something similar for Not a wiki if you have time to try & search for itparticular priority here in my view. This was the sort One of thing I just found them moves references after closing punctuation, which would cause a searchproblem on here because of our formatting issue (see my [[User:Robin|user page]]), but not within a wiki which I think is caused by the conflict with the terminology add- http://wwwon (whose name I forget).onextrapixel.com/examples/imagePresumably we haven't got anywhere with resolving that one? --map/[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 14:10, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Back again::: The addon in question is "Lingo". I remember hoping/expecting the software update earlier this year would fix it. However, it didn't, just found an example on and at the time I did put in a wikireport about the issue still being present. Looking back at the bug report, there is an image where you can click on the different people you can see's been no response or fix yet. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap--[[User:SharpoDanny252|SharpoDanny252]] ([[User talk:SharpoDanny252|talk]]) 1508:0938, 14 January 2015 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Wow::::Thanks, took me a few hours to understand I thought it, but I have learnt how to create more than one link from within an image within was a wikishort name like that. My own wiki test included 2 locos in It's not a photo & moving showstopper, I'll just keep putting references inside punctuation at the cursor to either end of the locos would give a link for that locoformatted paragraphs pending developments. --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 2113:4053, 14 January 2015 12 October 2017 (UTC)

::A small update to say that the bot seems to be working away quite happily, and on the few occasions I've been spending far too long on this as wellchecked, but I've finally got there.<br>Click on the town names on the [[Map | Map]] .<br>It takes a bit of trial and error to get the box coordinates in the right place, but I think "On this is a better than the standard route map as it allows linking of nearby features of interest, such as the Engine Houseday" link has been correct. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 0114:4604, 15 January 2015 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Some good work there. The main thing now is to get a suitable map - the OS maps will presumably somewhat awkward, given that :Page history suggests the "Kidderminster" label is nearer to Bewdley Station than Kidder! bot last updated on 7 April? --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 1023:1434, 15 January 2015 11 April 2018 (UTC)

::Indeed! It seems I like might have to occasionally re-confirm the map on the front page. Would login details, or else that it be worth putting on each of the station pages somehow forgot how to show their positioning on the SVR?login. --[[User:Brick60000Danny252|Brick60000Danny252]] ([[User talk:Brick60000Danny252|talk]]) 1609:1729, 16 January 2015 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Up to now, everyone's ===Railway Heritage Register links update===The Railway Heritage Register Carriage Survey and Wagon Survey have historically been making changes without consulting anyone elsehosted on vintagecarriagestrust. There haven't been any disputes yetorg, but should we be putting things are permanently moving to a new host on 9 April. From a quick test today, the record numbers within URLs are the same on the old and new host, therefore all that is needed in the links is to update the host address. There is a vote first?<br>Minor edits second problem in that the text within the link normally takes the form of text should '... on vintagecarriagestrust.org' which also needs updating (for simplicity and clarity I suggest using '... on Railway Heritage Register On-Line' for both Carriages and Wagons). It would be OK, but what about more conspicuous a great help if these changes like adding could be done by the maps bot. The 'search and logo? I just went ahead and did itreplace' involved is:*Step 1: replace '''cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''cs.rhrp.org.uk'''*Step 2: replace '''ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''ws.rhrp. Should we have discussed it first? I can easily undo itorg.<br>uk'''Should we have a picture *Step 3: replace '''on vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''on Railway Heritage Register On-Line'''Steps 1 and 2 should fix the front page? How do we pick one?<br>relevant URLs, and step 3 the link wording for at least the majority of links. There are links in a number of different areas including current and former carriages and wagons etc.Hope that is possible.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 0817:4323, 31 January 2015 27 February 2019 (UTC)

If you decide == Mobile view ==:I don't think this has cropped up before. I have just noticed that Navboxes do not appear in Mobile view. This is apparently deliberate, as detailed in [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124168 this article]. In most cases they are probably a 'nice to have ' rather than essential to navigation, but in [[The Severn Valley Railway in preservation]] they are currently the only method of navigating to other history pages. It should be possible to create the same links in a picture on table instead of a Navbox which may be the front pageanswer in that instance. Something to bear in mind as we create future pages, keep it interesting by changing it every weekparticularly as mobile devices are increasingly used for browsing. Any thoughts or suggestions welcome. Otherwise--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:03, once this wiki nears completion 13 April 2018 (if that is ever likely UTC)::Update; I duly added a table rather than a Navbox which works OK in Mobile view. We just have to happen) people aren't likely remember to look update that table at it very oftenthe same time as updating the Template:TimelineNavbox. --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1322:4635, 31 January 2015 December 2019 (UTC)

:My 10p worth is so long as you think it is an improvement, carry on and addSomething else I found that appears not to work in Mobile view. The [[Unsuccessful proposals for railways in the Severn Valley]] page has a statement <nowiki><div class="toclimit-2">__TOC__</div></edit as necessary which is nowiki> to limit the number of items in the idea table of a Wiki; stopping for votes just delays thingscontents. The level 3 headings should be suppressed but appear in Mobile view. Worth adding Not a note in major issue, but annoying!--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 22:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC)::Problem solved, thanks to help from the summary if comment is requiredMediawiki Project:Suport Desk --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 22:37, eg if I had a better logo 2 January 2020 (which I don’t!UTC) :::Thanks. I would upload it and say “shall see in their response that we try this instead?”.'re due a MediaWiki version update - good luck! --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 23:17:32, 31 2 January 2015 2020 (UTC)

A couple I'll be busy for much of thoughts on picturesthe next few weeks with moving, following a revisit honeymoon, and whatever else I've forgotten - if someone else wants to Festipedia.:They have a picture of the month on the front page. Would that be go at doing featured articles for a reasonable frequency to adoptfew weeks, especially as the mods would presumably have to change it?feel free! --[[User:They also have a lot of historical photos 'from the collection', especially on the loco pages. Does the SVR have a similar collection Danny252|Danny252]] (Kidderminster Railway Museum?[[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) and if so10:43, is anyone on speaking terms with the owner29 May 2018 (sUTC) who could broach the subject :Best of luck with everything! An open invitation at any time for anyone to pick an article they would like to feature, either by adding some here? Particularly the SVR in GWR days it themselves or by letting me know and SVR locos in original service (did any of our current locos definitely work on I'll add it. There is a [[:Category:Featured articles|Category page]] which lists the original SVR?)articles already featured. If nobody else does choose an article, and also early days of the SVR in preservationI'll try to keep updating them on a weekly basis.<br>--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1215:5213, 2 February 2015 29 May 2018 (UTC)

 ==Changes needed pleaseSchematic Map ==A section I've created a copy of Graham's original schematic map changing "Eardington Halt (Disused)" to note "Eardington" (the name as consistently used in SVR gala publications etc). I don't have the correct font to add any amendments needed new text, ie "(Limited use)", but I think on balance it's better as changed. The station icon is still in 'disused' colour which suggests something different and the linked page gives the operational status. I might have a go at creating a completely new file at some point with the additional text, unless Graham happens to read this and gets there first. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 09:58, 21 April 2024 (UTC):On the [[List of stations]] page I've minor edited the schematic to remove '(disused)' and change the icon colour for the attention of station (look on the 'changes' to see what changes I made). How this might help I'm not sure, as that page doesn't use a .png file?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 22:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)::Helps greatly thanks - I hadn't realised how Graham created the original .png file until now. I've added '(Limited use)' which is in the administratorscorrect font and created a new . Suggest we delete items when done png file from a screen grab, tweaking the size to keep match the list currentoriginal. I could use other wording such as 'Galas only' rather than 'Limited use' if preferred.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 09:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)