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==SpambotsSVR Unofficial Forum and National Preservation links (March 2018, updated February 2024) ==There are many links to these sources but both have moved, viz:*All requests to access the forum via https://forum.svra.org.uk should automatically be forwarded onto https://forum.svr-online.org.uk. However, please update any Bookmarks you may have and start using the new address. EDIT: February 2024, use https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ *<nowiki>http://railway.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/</nowiki> is now https://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/Are there any tools that can be run which at least changes the root? Or any clever ideas?:Maybe the SVR Wiki Bot could hunt for those links and edit as appropriate? One for Dan?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 14:48, 4 March 2018 (UTC)::The bot probably is the simplest answer - I'd usually just run a search-and-replace on the text, but it's all squirreled away in a database, which is a little more difficult! This also happens to be the first I've heard of the change, given that the old link is inaccessible for me due to the security configuration of the old forum address being incorrect. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC):::Turns out the bot comes with a script for text replacement included - I guess it's not that surprising! It's currently working its way through the wiki. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:35, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::I've managed to get the SVRA forum ones, but the only match the bot is finding for the NatPres link given is this page. Could someone link a page where the link is used so I can see what I've got wrong? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)::::[[The Waterman Railway Heritage Trust]], reference 5 for example. It normally appears in references rather than the body text if that makes a difference. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:06, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::::Aha, there's a change at the start of the link (railways.national-preservation vs. www.national-preservation) - I'd only noticed the addition of the number after the thread name. Hence I'd been searching for "www.national-preservation[...]" and only finding the new, corrected link above. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)::::::...having actually done it, the only references to railways.national-preservation.com are on this talk page and the one you linked. I can't find any references to the SVR photo guide forum thread that aren't on this page, and all other nat-pres links I can find (by directly searching through a text dump of the whole wiki) look like they should work. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:24, 8 March 2018 (UTC):::I noticed that SVRLive links should also be HTTPS, although again they were forwarding automatically. Having decided to do a manual search, hopefully all Nat-Pres, SVR-Online forum and SVRLive links in the Wiki are now HTTPS.:February 2024: the history of the SVR forum can be accessed via the Wayback internet archive at https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ --[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 15:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

This comes up periodically. There is no published guide of publicly available photo locations. There is an old thread at http://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/page-2 with quite a lot of info and a thread around Pacific Power. I've been modifying the Captcha questions m not a photographer but a guide would be useful. It would need some thought though, so as initial suggestions what it might include:Work north to try and find what works best, and SouthLocation nameGPSOS referenceMeans of accessParticular restrictionsTips - better in the number at least seems to be reduced.afternoon than morning type thingExample photo

As an additional measure, IAlso a does and don've also enabled blacklisting of known spam sources, as per [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam#DNSBL this ts section], and have turned on the requirement for email addresses to be verified (I noted that none of the bots had emails registeredtrespass etc.). I note there's a couple of people who haven't got confirmed email addresses, but most people should be fine - if you need to confirm your address, you can find the option under "Preferences" in the top right corner, then by scrolling down to almost the bottom of the page of options.

Thoughts?--[[User:Danny252Patrick Hearn|Danny252Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Danny252Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 1610:4155, 6 February 2015 19 December 2016 (UTC):I'd erred away from doing one in the past, in case the SVR considered it to be encouraging people to photograph from lineside (even in legitimate viewing locations) rather than paying to visit the railway. However the SVR itself gave a number of possible viewing locations for Pacific Power, so maybe not considered an issue? If we do add one, your suggestions would be a good start.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:59, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

I've enabled [httpOfficial response from Lewis Maddox://www"Great idea, if you need any photos let me know.mediawiki" So, going back to the original post, what's the best way of setting it up? Does it need a table with the headings I suggested.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist Is there a better way? This might be one where a similar blacklist] as welllittle thought and input from photographers is worthwhile...--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 2213:3206, 6 February 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

We changed :Just while thinking about it, on the [[Current events on the Capcha question Severn Valley Railway]] page, I put a comment relating to a dynamic one SVR Live that "Information which should have been harder is publicly accessible for spambots to crack.<br>It wasnenthusiasts includes Traffic Notices, Working Timetables, '''lineside photography policy and application forms't working as well as hoped, so I have now reworded the question to see if that's any better.<br>I believe it's possible to create different user groups with different posting rights, and so we could, for example move all the proven genuine contributors to a on."trusted" group so that they donHowever I can't have see photography policy on the new version, or on the inconvenience of having to solve a little puzzle every time SVR website either. Any idea where they want to make an edit. I'll look in to that later.<br>would be found these days?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1016:1350, 2 March 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Within an hour of making ::When I looked earlier this year, the lineside photography information available on the above changes, we had a load more spam.<br>It seems old site seemed to follow a set pattern be horribly out of creating a new account date, and then a User Page, so I have disabled upon enquiring directly with the ability for the default user groupSVR on Facebook, "User", to create pages and manually added all the genuine contributors to a new User Group "Trustworthy".<br>If response I have missed you out, or if you have any other problems, you should still be able to edit this page, so either reply here, email got gave methe impression they were only interested in direct inquiries, or post on the forum or Facebook page and I'll sort rather than advertising it out.<br>online? --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 1209:5152, 2 March 2015 5 January 2017 (UTC)

I've moved all :In terms of setting it up, the known genuine contributors to unofficial WSR site WSR.ORG.UK has a "Trustworthy" user group and removed page creation rights from all othersphotography section [http://www.wsr.org.uk/r-photters.<br>They're still getting through though somehow, so I have just disabled the ability to write directly to the APIhtm here].<br>I'm not too sure what this means myself, but I think it's a way There may be some good ideas to bypass the normal page creation method and, as I can't see any legitimate reason to use be had from it, and there was an option to disable it, that's what I've done.<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1716:0755, 3 March 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

: :Thank you. A job for when I suspect that that is how they were getting through without page creation rights - basically it means sending the command to create a page directly without loading up the "Creating page..." form first.have some time :)--[[User:WillSaltPatrick Hearn|WillSaltPatrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:WillSaltPatrick Hearn|talk]]) 2212:1728, 3 March 2015 18 January 2017 (UTC)

:::As a low grade entry point I note that have added to the bots seem [[Bewdley International Airport|Bewdley Airport]] page some basic details with an idea to be registering, but not actually making any edits currently - am I right to think that? add a simple [[From The last time that I can see a spam Window]] type guide page *created* is the 27th of Febwhen locations are populated. I've also fiddled with the settings a bit moreWhat do people think?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 10:55, and it definitely should be only allowing users with confirmed emails to edit/create/whatever now 11 February 2018 (plus the Trustworthy group, of courseUTC).

::::Looks good. I've added some directions. It would be good to illustrate each page with a photo taken from that location as well. --[[User:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|Danny252Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10:0234, 4 March 2015 12 February 2018 (UTC)

==Locomotives hired to or visiting other railways==We have sections for locos coming in, are there equivalents for SVR-resident locos going the other way? I can't find any. TIA--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 12:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC): Off the top of my head, no section exists yet. The pattern has changed slightly. exception would be for [[The spammers Severn Valley Railway on the main line|main line excursions]], which are listed on the linked locomotive pages, but not many of those happen these days! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 13:09, 18 January 2017 (UTC)::Some individual loco pages also mention longer term hires to other railways, but you're right in that there is no longer create their own user equivalent section for gala appearances elsewhere. No reason we couldn't have such a page, they create but it would be a separate major exercise to backfill the history.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:50, 18 January 2017 (UTC):::Thanks both. Do you think we should we start one with 2017 galas out as an incomplete page complete with spam title.<br>, and allow people to backfill? Or let it ride?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 02:43, 19 January 2017 (UTC)I::::If you've asked for advice on re eager, go ahead - just look how the [httpshttp://www.mediawikisvrwiki.orgcom/wikiversion1241/Project:Support_desk#xindex.24wgGroupPermissions_not_preventing_spammers_creating_new_pages_54546 php?title=Steam_Locomotives_visiting_the_SVR_for_galas&oldid=1151 gala visitors] page started! I have to admit I don't really know where to find historical information; the Mediawiki support desk] and got some interestSVR News sometimes mentions locos going off on hire, but not a solution yet.<br>It looks like my next step I don't know if this is comprehensive? Then again, I'm sure Robin will find all the information about 7714's visit to work out how to access the access logLittle Piddling and Nowhere Railway's 1976 gala... I had a quick look earlier--[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:44, but it's not as simple 19 January 2017 (UTC):::::It must have been there as I hoped. I'll put a bit more time in static exhibit - according to the SVR Wiki it laterwasn't steamed until 1992.<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 13:10:43, 4 March 2015 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Seems the bots may be smart enough to confirm emails as well, so ==Bug reports=====Navbox error===I've removed that change I did, so it should be back to how it is. Regarding the comment m seeing <nowiki>{{#invoke:Navbox|navbox}}</nowiki> instead of Navboxes appearing on the helpdesk query about alternate access to carriage and loco pages. Anyone else? Can one of the databaseadministrators have a look please? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC):It was something I've made sure that the old versions of wikis we had installed are now unable did without realising by altering parser settings while trying to convert page names to dates and vice versa. It should be used at allworking again now. They shouldn't have been at all accessible--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 16:48, but now they won't work even if they are16 May 2017 (UTC)::Yes fixed. Belated thanks. --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 1116:4918, 4 March 2015 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Would ===On this day refresh error===Another oddity. When I first access the home page without being logged in, the "On this day" link shows May 18. As soon as I log in, it refreshes correctly. Any ideas? Is it some sort of caching issue? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC):I was getting that as well. It was caused by <nowiki>{{#time:}} using "the time the page was last rendered into HTML" rather than the current time. For some reason, it would always default to May 18, even immediately after logging out after displaying the correct date while logged in. I've changed it be an idea now to read {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} and {{CURRENTDAY}} which do exactly what their names suggest.</nowiki> It seems to remove have solved the problem on the mediawiki files wiki itself, although I don't know if there may still be a caching problem for individual users. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 00:56, 25 May 2017 (UTC)::I'm aware that arenit is still not working as it should. Editing the page also updates the displayed date, so the error doesn't being used from show up until a day later, which makes it a slow job fixing it by trial and error. I've asked for help on the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Traumjses54rw4ao Mediawiki Project Support Desk]--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 08:58, 27 May 2017 (UTC):::I think it's working now. If you want an explanation...The various Time and Date functions use the time the page was last rendered in to HTML. For a logged in user, that will be their current session, for a non-logged in user, it is the time the page was last modified, as shown at the bottom of every page. By linking to the server? There internal On This Day page as if it was an external link, it seems to be 3 installations of creating the link using the real current time, even when logged out.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 22:52, 28 May 2017 (UTC)::::Another minor bug fixed. As the wikiwas seeing the On This Day page as an external link, it was opening in a new tab, rather than the same tab like all other internal links. I couldn't fix it properly, 2 so the external link is now displayed as a single full stop right at the bottom of which are from the early days page, I couldn't make it completely invisible. Just having the link somewhere on the page forces all dates to work correctly, so now the internal link works as it should. There's another minor bug in that the wiki is set to GMT and no longer neededis not adjusting for BST. I might look in to that one at some point as well. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 07:25, 29 May 2017 (?UTC) - and :::I really think I've got it is still possible this time. What was confusing me was the random image on the Main Page Test page which was causing that page to view those pages if you know refresh every time it was viewed, whether logged in or not, which the proper Main Page wasn't doing. I've now set up the url Main Page to automatically refresh every time. I thought this might slow down loading, but it doesn't seem to usemake any difference. What was slowing everything down was fetching nine individual images from Wikimedia Commons for the schematic map. I've now duplicated these locally, so not only does the page load a lot faster, logging in is a lot quicker as well. --[[User:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|SharpoGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 14:0055, 4 March 2015 2 June 2017 (UTC)::::Thanks for spending the time on it! It would be an idea to update the pre-1963 map page to use local icons as well; it can be very hit and miss loading at times. (Not meant as a request, happy to do it myself when time permits). Just found ::::Probably a way bit late to access logsask this as were are closing in on 100 individual Day pages, but is there anything in them which could be useful info better handled in a template called to each page, rather than the block of text we copy and paste each time?-- once [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:32, 2 June 2017 (UTC):::I'd already started on the other maps when you replied. Consider it done. Yes, now I know how easy it is to create and call a template, that would be a better way of getting the forward and back dates. I understand did wonder if it more!! might be better if the links just said "Previous" and "Next" rather than the date, but that would mean going back and altering all the existing ones for consistency.--[[User:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|SharpoGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 1716:1649, 4 March 2015 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Another thing :I did earlier thought it had been working fine, but today was it is linking to update some of the spam blacklists we've got setupJune 20 when not logged in, even though a page exists for June 25. In some discussion with Sharpo over the access logs just now, I can see that Not sure if it is a number of the IP addresses weren't being caught beforecoincidence, but should be with the new settingshome page was last edited on June 20. Has anything changed in the back end, apart from switching Lingo back on? --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 2119:5558, 4 March 2015 25 June 2017 (UTC)

As a further update::Another oddity with 'On this day in history'. When logged out, Sharpo has been keeping an eye the next and previous page links on the access 'August 4' and other days works fine. When I login they stop working, and has noted that a number of bots were using replaced by a security hole which we patched up yesterday (grey box with a page which shouldn't have been accessible was)dash in. They still seem to be trying quite hard to use Not sure how long ithas been happening - anyone else getting the same and if so, but no spam has appeared today. any idea why? --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 1814:4837, 5 March 2015 4 August 2017 (UTC)

:::It took a bit of trial and error, but I've finally got the Previous & Next links working. It turns out it needs spaces either side of the + & - signs when searching for Pagename + 1 day etc. I meant 've got no idea why it worked when logged out, but not when logged in, or why it used to say, if you need help interpreting the logs work and then feel free to askstopped working, seeing as but itworks now. I's m still stuck on the sort out of thing I'm supposed date On This Day link though. It looks like we need a bot to know about profesionally! automatically edit the page at 00:01 every day, but creating a bot is beyond me at the moment.--[[User:WillSaltGraham Phillips 110|WillSaltGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:WillSaltGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 2009:0544, 5 March 2015 6 August 2017 (UTC)

::::Thanks - I've ll keep manually removed a lot of the spam accounts, which whilst blocked and unable to be used, were still in existence updating if I remember and cluttering up various pages (e.g. the user list, which has gone from 300 nobody else beats me to 30)it. This means that their "contributions" will likely have reverted to show just their IP addresses - don't worry, this doesn't mean that unregistered users have been editing the site! --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 0905:2851, 6 March 2015 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Interesting 'feature' is that : For completeness, this issue has been "solved" through the Recent Changes now shows your own IP address as the source use of the former spam accounts! Gave me a minor heart attack at first! Svrwikibot, per Graham's suggestion --[[User:RobinDanny252|RobinDanny252]] ([[User talk:RobinDanny252|talk]]) 14:2907, 6 March 2015 30 October 2017 (UTC)

After my last comment on this As of today it's bringing up the pagefor February 28th, in error --[[User:Danny252Patrick Hearn|Danny252Patrick Hearn]] and ([[Usertalk:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|Grahamtalk]]gave me FTP and CPanel access to the site) 15:24, and I had 7 March 2022 (UTC):It's been broken for a bit of a chat with while now. Danny 's Wikibot seems to stop working after about what I found 6 months, and what I thought could do with tidying up once it does then the 'on this day' link only refreshes (hang on whilst I pop my Sensible Professional IT Consultant hat on...as far as logged out users are concerned). The end result when there is: I have just finished doing a big cleanup and deleted just about everything that wasn't needed to run change saved on the current install of MediaWiki home page (ie usually every Monday when I did leave a huge debug log that was hanging about in case anybody wanted itupdate the article of the week link!). I '''did''' take a backup before I did it, so if you're worried that anything has gone missing, don't be. Please let me know if anything now appears to be weirdly broken, but restart the Wikibot - it shouldn't be. The point of needs someone with access to the cleanup is: although everyone else has already done sterling work at disabling the configuration of the old installs, making sure that they're not linked anywhere, back end and so on, getting rid a bit of extraneous stuff altogether is the best way of reducing the "attack surface" - the number of places people knowledge. Maybe Graham or Will could get in, possibly using hacks we're not ourselves aware of. have a look at some point? --[[User:WillSaltRobin|WillSaltRobin]] ([[User talk:WillSaltRobin|talk]]) 2215:2837, 8 7 March 2015 2022 (UTC)

==Stourport and Tenbury branches=Pages loading incorrectly when logged out===I'm finding a few pages which aren't loading correctly when not logged in, for example [[GWR 80684 Ballast Wagon]]. It reports part of the content being not secure and is referring to something in version 1241 which was the version before the https upgrade. Happens in both Chrome and IE. It loads fine when logged in, so I assume it may be another caching issue. Did we have a back end utility for refreshing all the pages and if so, could one of the admins run it? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:53, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Would it be more correct : I wasn't getting a secure content warning, but the page wasn't loading correctly for me either. I can't say I understand where these odd little issues come from! I've fixed that page manually, and I think I found a script I can set to refer run every so often to these as clear the Stourport Line and Wyre Forest Line on the map whole cache - did you identify any other pages, and alter the linksif so, page titles and redirects to suitcan you check them now?--[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 16:27, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

:My inclination would :I selected about 10 other Wagons pages at random and found these - [[BR General Goods Containers]] / [[BR 993898 'Shark' Ballast Plough Brake]] / [[GWR 125059 Covered Goods Van (body only)]]. There may be others, although I've not to bother (to noticed any other than wagons pages thus far. Not a lot I can add on the casual SVR visitordiagnostices, both are branches off the line they are on). The former was simply except:::*IE shows a continuation of the old SVR rather than text only page, and it includes a line in itselfsaying for example ''<nowiki>Retrieved from ‘http://www. The latter seems interchangeable between Wyre Forest Line, Tenbury Line and Tenbury Branch; Google favours svrwiki.com/version1241/index.php?title=BR_General_Goods_Containers&oldid=8055’</nowiki>''. Clicking the former but I'd be interested link takes you to dig out some original sources to see what the commonest usage was old page on the non-secure site. It also shows a box at the timebottom "Only secure content displayed. I don't think anyone browsing " ::*Chrome does the same but without the wiki will get too confused as it standspop up box.::--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1822:3200, 6 February 2015 16 December 2017 (UTC)

OK, :::Iget the same text-only page displayed as you get with IE. The fact they've changed the link on the map to point to Wyre Forest Line, while keeping re still showing like that at least means that my attempted fixes so far didn't work! The "Tenbury Branchretrieved from" on is apparently not the map error itself. As - the text is usually hidden by the Wyre Forest Line article says, most Kidderminster to Bewdley trains continued towards Tenbury, so if anythingpage style, and the Bridgnorth line was fact the branch. However, going by page isn't loading the fact style (or any pictures) is why that occurs. I've reset some more of the disused line branches away at 90 degrees from the currently used linecache settings, it which seems more intuitive to refer to have fixed it as the branch in a modern context.I don't understand some of this dark voodoo... --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 18:24, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

==Logo=Loss of session data===Would it be a good idea In the last few weeks I've noticed that from time to have a suitable SVR image or logo on time the main pageWiki is logging me off in mid-edit. For With a visitor seeing normal log in, my status is changed to logged out (ie the top right button reverts to 'Log in') and of course I can't save the page for the first time, it would give them some idea what it was all about. Yes, If I know it should be obvioushave selected "stay logged in" when logging in, the top right button is still showing 'Log out' butI get the message ''Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data.You might have been logged out.'' Abandoning the edit and restarting it then works fine without actually needing to log out and in again.... Is there anything unusual happening at the server back end?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:20, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

===Missing Signature button===Prompted by Patrick's comments "''(can't find the date stamp)''" in several posts in [[Query Corner#Santa services|Query Corner]], it appears that recent versions of MediaWiki have removed the signature button that used to be shown when editing 'normal' pages; it still appears when editing Discussion pages. There is a '''[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgExtraSignatureNamespaces configuration variable available here]''' which allows the button to be added back in specific pages. Could one of the admins see if it is possible to add this configuration variable so the button can be put back in Query Corner? --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 20:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC):Done. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10:00, 30 November 2018 (UTC)::Thanks. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:0953, 13 January 2015 30 November 2018 (UTC)

===Service Unavailable message===While I've been thinking the same (I just mentioned it m in one of the forum threads). Bug reports page, I guess the main question is whether the SVR would be happy with us using its logo - it's starting to sound like we'll need m seeing a message from time to get in contact with the office at some point on a few of these things. If they decide not, does someone feel suitably arty?time as follows:

--[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 09:23 Service Unavailable<br> The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.<br> Additionally, 13 January 2015 (UTC)a 503 Service Unavailable error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Perhaps in the meanwhile we shouldIt is usually when requesting a special page like 've adopted the SVR Online logorecent changes' but occasionally when accessing a normal page. Also; starting to add headings here Been happening for a couple of months now. Another one for Graham or Will to separate topics. I hope you're all OK with this. have a look at if possible? --[[User:BoldfordRobin|BoldfordRobin]] ([[User talk:BoldfordRobin|talk]]) 0915:3941, 1 February 2015 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I emailed marketing@svrlive.com on 16th January to ask permission to use the official SVR logo. I haven't heard back yet, so I've gone and used it anyway. If I get a threatening letter from their solicitors, I'll change it back again. --[[== User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 07:56, 2 February 2015 (UTC)permissions ==

That logo looks much better! I've modified the user permissions so that new users can create articles and talk pages without being marked "trustworthy". I found it a bit odd that having created a new user, I couldn't edit my own user page... Given that spambots are a non-issue now, hopefully we'll be ok. --[[User:SharpoDanny252|SharpoDanny252]] ([[User talk:SharpoDanny252|talk]]) 0809:0525, 2 February 2015 9 October 2017 (UTC)

==LocationWiki bot ==We'll probably spend a lot of time providing info about the SVR, but we also need to show where it is for people who come across this wiki & decide the railway might be worth a visit. So, for those arty people amongst us, how about finding a suitable size image of the UK that can be used, with a highlighted area showing exactly where the Railway is, then showing an enlargement of the area alongside the UK image with the main stations highlighted and the course of the railway.

I'm playing around with making an "svrwikibot", mainly to do the front page update that Robin currently does. I've gone with the [[Userhttps:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Sharpo|talk]Pywikibot Pywikibot]framework, because a) 11:39, 13 January 2015 (UTCI can code Python and b)it works.

On If anyone has other ideas for things we could get the subject of mapsbot to do, I've adapted the map at let me know. --[[httpsUser://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Severn_Valley_Railway_mapDanny252|Danny252]] to only show as much of the SVR as is currently in use. It works OK on ([[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usertalk:Graham_Phillips_110/sandbox my sandboxDanny252|talk], but not here http]) 09://www.svrwiki.com/Map.<br>I gather I need to import the template that the map is based on27, but I can't find instructions on how to do that.<br>9 October 2017 (UTC)I was going to duplicate the full GWR/SVR map and create a more detailed map: Alright, showing more features as well.<br>Is hold your breath - if it worth persevering's working, or would it just be easier to create the maps some other way?bot will now update the main page comment at 5am BST (4am GMT) daily... --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 10:4201, 14 January 2015 9 October 2017 (UTC)

I ::If there was looking a 'like' button on the internet yesterday for suitable maps & saw that very same pagehere, then thought I would do a tracing from a map & then create my own simple map from that - then scan & upload 'd press it! I'm not sure about other functions for itto carry out. It was then Most of the bot edits I realised I was spending time come across on this instead of doing other Wikipedia tend to be formatting and housekeeping, things!! In answer like stripping leading and trailing spaces in tables, changing links and references separated by <nowiki><br></nowiki> to your questionbullet format and so on. Not a particular priority here in my view. One of them moves references after closing punctuation, which would cause a problem on here because of our formatting issue (see my [[User:Robin|user page]]), which I donthink is caused by the conflict with the terminology add-on (whose name I forget). Presumably we haven't know how to edit got anywhere with resolving that template to how you want it. May be better to draw a new versionone? --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1114:0010, 14 January 2015 10 October 2017 (UTC)

::: The addon in question is "Lingo". I think remember hoping/expecting the main issue is that the map requires a standard set of images (about 3000!) that exist on Wikipedia, which you can tile together to show the layout (e.gsoftware update earlier this year would fix it. plain trackHowever, station, disused stationit didn't, and so on), as well as all at the templates it pulls time I did put ina report about the issue still being present. It might be possible to copy it overLooking back at the bug report, but I donthere't know if it would be a good idea to pick and choose the bits we want, s been no response or alternatively to copy the whole lot over with a lot of redundant bitsfix yet. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 08:38, but with the flexibility to make more in future. 12 October 2017 (UTC)

::::Thanks, I thought it was a short name like that. It's not a showstopper, I'll just keep putting references inside punctuation at the end of formatted paragraphs pending developments. --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 1213:1553, 14 January 2015 12 October 2017 (UTC)

I was hoping it would be possible ::A small update to import say that the template bot seems to be working away quite happily, and just those icons used as it's a handy way of linking directly to stations on the line directly from the map.few occasions I was then going to create a more detailed map showing all 've checked, the bridges etc. with a "On this day" link to each.Maybe I'm asking too much and it would be best to stick to a normal image file of a maphas been correct.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 1214:5504, 14 January 2015 30 October 2017 (UTC)

I remember years ago using some free software that allowed me to add links from a word or words pasted into an image :Page history suggests the bot last updated on my site. There may be something similar for a wiki if you have time to try & search for it. This was the sort of thing I just found after a search, but not within a wiki 7 April? -- http[[User://www.onextrapixel.com/examples/image-map/Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 23:34, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Back again, just found an example on a wiki::Indeed! It seems I might have to occasionally re-confirm the login details, there is an image where you can click on the different people you can seeor else that it somehow forgot how to login. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap--[[User:SharpoDanny252|SharpoDanny252]] ([[User talk:SharpoDanny252|talk]]) 1509:0929, 14 January 2015 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Wow:Message for Graham in Dan's absence. Just noticed the Bot stopped working again on 9 October 2018 so if you are not logged in, took me a few hours the On this day link goes to understand it, but I have learnt how to create more the last day the page was updated rather than one link from within an image within a wikithe current day. My own wiki test included 2 locos in It may be a photo & moving the cursor coincidence but both times it seems to either of the locos would give have stopped after 6 months. Could you have a link for that locolook please? TIA. --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 2110:4042, 14 January 2015 1 April 2020 (UTC)

I've ===Railway Heritage Register links update===The Railway Heritage Register Carriage Survey and Wagon Survey have historically been spending far too long hosted on this as wellvintagecarriagestrust.org, but are permanently moving to a new host on 9 April. From a quick test today, the record numbers within URLs are the same on the old and new host, therefore all that is needed in the links is to update the host address. There is a second problem in that the text within the link normally takes the form of '... on vintagecarriagestrust.org' which also needs updating (for simplicity and clarity Isuggest using 've finally got there.<br>Click .. on Railway Heritage Register On-Line' for both Carriages and Wagons). It would be a great help if these changes could be done by the town names bot. The 'search and replace' involved is:*Step 1: replace '''cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''cs.rhrp.org.uk'''*Step 2: replace '''ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''ws.rhrp.org.uk'''*Step 3: replace '''on the [[Map | Map]] vintagecarriagestrust.<br>org''' by '''on Railway Heritage Register On-Line'''It takes a bit of trial Steps 1 and error to get 2 should fix the box coordinates in relevant URLs, and step 3 the right place, but I think this is a better than link wording for at least the standard route map as it allows linking majority of nearby features links. There are links in a number of interest, such as the Engine Housedifferent areas including current and former carriages and wagons etc.Hope that is possible. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 0117:4623, 15 January 2015 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Some good work there== Mobile view ==:I don't think this has cropped up before. I have just noticed that Navboxes do not appear in Mobile view. This is apparently deliberate, as detailed in [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124168 this article]. In most cases they are probably a 'nice to have' rather than essential to navigation, but in [[The main thing now is Severn Valley Railway in preservation]] they are currently the only method of navigating to other history pages. It should be possible to get create the same links in a table instead of a suitable map Navbox which may be the answer in that instance. Something to bear in mind as we create future pages, particularly as mobile devices are increasingly used for browsing. Any thoughts or suggestions welcome. -- the OS maps will presumably somewhat awkward[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:03, given 13 April 2018 (UTC)::Update; I duly added a table rather than a Navbox which works OK in Mobile view. We just have to remember to update that table at the same time as updating the "Kidderminster" label is nearer to Bewdley Station than Kidder! Template:TimelineNavbox.--[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 1022:1435, 15 January 2015 31 December 2019 (UTC)

:Something else I like found that appears not to work in Mobile view. The [[Unsuccessful proposals for railways in the Severn Valley]] page has a statement <nowiki><div class="toclimit-2">__TOC__</div></nowiki> to limit the map on number of items in the front pagetable of contents. Would it The level 3 headings should be worth putting on each of the station pages suppressed but appear in Mobile view. Not a major issue, but annoying!--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 22:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC)::Problem solved, thanks to show their positioning on help from the SVR?Mediawiki Project:Suport Desk --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 22:37, 2 January 2020 (UTC):::Thanks. I see in their response that we're due a MediaWiki version update - good luck! --[[User:Brick60000Robin|Brick60000Robin]] ([[User talk:Brick60000Robin|talk]]) 1623:17, 16 2 January 2015 2020 (UTC)

==Making changesFeatured article ==

Up to nowI'll be busy for much of the next few weeks with moving, a honeymoon, everyoneand whatever else I's been making changes without consulting anyone ve forgotten - if someone else. There haven't been any disputes yet, but should we be putting things wants to have a vote first?<br>go at doing featured articles for a few weeks, feel free! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC)Minor edits :Best of text should be OKluck with everything! An open invitation at any time for anyone to pick an article they would like to feature, but what about more conspicuous changes like either by adding the maps it themselves or by letting me know and logo? I just went ahead and did 'll add it. Should we have discussed it first? There is a [[:Category:Featured articles|Category page]] which lists the articles already featured. If nobody else does choose an article, I can easily undo it'll try to keep updating them on a weekly basis.<br>Should we have a picture on the front page? How do we pick one?<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 0815:4313, 31 January 2015 29 May 2018 (UTC)

I've "protected" the front page, logo and maps to prevent any malicious edits. We haven't had much spam yet, but there was the possibility that someone could alter the front page to something unwanted. If anyone wants to make created a genuine edit, they can put it here on the Talk page and one copy of the administrators can do it.<br>I created the logo in Paint on my PC and thought I'd got a reasonably good match for the chocolate & cream. The cream looks a bit beige now on my chromebook. If anyoneGraham's got the correct colour codes, I'll do a new one.<br>I don't know if a picture as well as the two maps would be too much though?<br>There's a random image extension for wikimedia which can be installed.<br>One idea I had was a long thin picture of a full train in profile, taking up the full width of the page, but only a couple of lines worth of depth. The picture could be selected at random from one of each carriage set. Worth a try?<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] original schematic map changing "Eardington Halt ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]Disused) 09:27, 1 February 2015 (UTC) I decided " to tweak the wording a bit - please revert it if you don't like it! --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:14, 16 December 2016 "Eardington" (UTC) == Image of the month == A couple of thoughts on pictures, following a revisit to Festipedia.:They have a picture of the month on the front page. Would that be a reasonable frequency to adopt, especially name as the mods would presumably have to change it?:They also have a lot of historical photos 'from the collection', especially on the loco pages. Does the SVR have a similar collection (Kidderminster Railway Museum?) and if so, is anyone on speaking terms with the owner(s) who could broach the subject of adding some here? Particularly the SVR consistently used in GWR days and SVR locos in original service (did any of our current locos definitely work on the original SVR?gala publications etc), and also early days of the SVR in preservation.<br>--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 12:52, 2 February 2015 (UTC)::I'm planning to go down to the KRM this weekend for their signalling exhibition, and I'll have a go at mentioning this. I don't know whether they've got have the correct font to add any plan to digitise their collectionnew text, but if so it would likely be a good source of images. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ie "([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]Limited use) 12:57", 11 June 2015 (UTC) == Using images with unknown copyright == but I've avoided doing so until now, but uncredited photos keep turning up think on Facebook and balance it seems a shame it miss out on them, so I've added two to the [[Dowles Bridge]] page with what I hope is a suitable "Get out of jail free" disclaimer. Even with an 1868 photo, there's no guarantee that the copyright has expired under the 70 year rulebetter as changed. Any thoughts on the legality of this ?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 07:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC) : What I've not yet worked out The station icon is whether the copyright is (or at least can be) "extended" if the work is sold to someone else - if I buy a collection of old photos, do I get any rights, or is it still all linked to the original author (unless they specifically give some permission/waiver)? Equally, Iin 'm not sure if digitising a piece of work is ever able to extend copyright (e.g. if I scan an old photo, do I get rights over the scan of somebody elsedisused's work?). If neither of those apply, then it's 70 years from the production of the work ''if the author is not known'', or 70 years after their death if it is (so for an 1868 photo, the author would have had to survive until 1946). --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 16:30, 30 January 2016 (UTC) ::Regarding whether you can extend copyright by digitising a piece of work, the Ordnance Survey relinquishes crown copyright after 50 years as per the link I posted [[Tips for contributing to the SVR Wiki#Ordnance Survey Maps / Crown Copyright | here]]. However the National Library of Scotland claims copyright over their scans of OS maps colour which are older than that, hence it appears you can do so (suggests something different and I have updated all the OS extracts accordingly).--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC) ==Changes needed please==A section to note any amendments needed on this page for the attention of the administrators. Suggest we delete items when done to keep the list current. == Article/linked page count == I've removed gives the line in the introduction that gave the current number of articles/images on the wikioperational status. I had recently noticed the main page was taking much longer to access than any other page, and that other pages would not load until the main page was loaded, implying it was somehow locking up might have a large number of resources. Removing the page/image counts, which were probably re-counted each time the page was opened, appears to have significantly improved the speed! I suspect this is go at creating a combination of the actual article counting process being slow for completely new file at some reason, as well as the main page having to be generated from scratch each time it was viewed (in case the counts had changed) which is quite a slow process... --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 08:47, 12 July 2016 (UTC):Does seem quicker - no great loss not having the information. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC) == Wiki content license == It was realised earlier today that it was never made clear what license was applied to content on the Wiki, point with the exception of uploaded files (where a license is picked on uploading). I've applied the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 license]additional text, the same as is used on Wikipedia - this license does not apply if a different license is specified (e.g. uploaded images). If you have any complaints, speak now, or forever hold your peace! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 22:34, 19 November 2016 (UTC) :No complaints, but could you tweak the site settings unless Graham happens to include the CC icon in the button at the foot of the page where currently is just shows 'Creative'. Found [https://creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?license_code=by-sa&amp;jurisdiction=&amp;version=3.0&amp;lang=en read this page of instructions] which may helpand gets there first. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1609:4558, 24 November 2016 (UTC) ::Like so? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 21:04, 24 November 2016 April 2024 (UTC) :::That looks better, thanks!--On the [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talkList of stations]]) 21:11, 24 November 2016 (UTC) == SVR photographic guide == This comes up periodically. There is no published guide of publicly available photo locations. There is an old thread at http://railways.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/page-2 with quite a lot of info and a thread around Pacific Power. I'm not a photographer but a guide would be useful. It would need some thought though, so as initial suggestions what it might include:Work north ve minor edited the schematic to SouthLocation nameGPSOS referenceMeans of accessParticular restrictionsTips - better in the afternoon than morning type thingExample photo Also a does and donremove 'ts section (trespass etc.disused) Thoughts?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 10:55, 19 December 2016 (UTC):I'd erred away from doing one in and change the past, in case the SVR considered it to be encouraging people to photograph from lineside (even in legitimate viewing locations) rather than paying to visit the railway. However the SVR itself gave a number of possible viewing locations icon colour for Pacific Power, so maybe not considered an issue? If we do add one, your suggestions would be a good start.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:59, 29 December 2016 (UTC) Official response from Lewis Maddox: "Great idea, if you need any photos let me know." So, going back to the original post, what's the best way of setting it up? Does it need a table with the headings I suggested. Is there a better way? This might be one where a little thought and input from photographers is worthwhile...--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] station ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 13:06, 4 January 2017 (UTC) :Just while thinking about it, on the [[Current events look on the Severn Valley Railway]] page, I put a comment relating to SVR Live that "Information which is publicly accessible for enthusiasts includes Traffic Notices, Working Timetables, 'changes''lineside photography policy and application forms''', and so on." However I can't to see photography policy on the new version, or on the SVR website either. Any idea where they would be found these days?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:50, 4 January 2017 (UTC) ::When what changes I looked earlier this year, the lineside photography information available on the old site seemed to be horribly out of date, and upon enquiring directly with the SVR on Facebook, the response I got gave me the impression they were only interested in direct inquiries, rather than advertising it online? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]made) 09:52, 5 January 2017 (UTC) :In terms of setting it up, the unofficial WSR site WSR.ORG.UK has a photography section [http://www.wsr.org.uk/r-photters.htm here]. There may be some good ideas to be had from it.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:55, 4 January 2017 (UTC) ::Thank you. A job for when How this might help I have some time :)--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 12:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC) ==Locomotives hired to or visiting other railways==We have sections for locos coming in, are there equivalents for SVR-resident locos going the other way? I can't find any. TIA--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 12:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC): Off the top of my head, no section exists yet. The exception would be for [[The Severn Valley Railway on the main line|main line excursions]], which are listed on the linked locomotive pages, but m not many of those happen these days! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 13:09sure, 18 January 2017 (UTC)::Some individual loco pages also mention longer term hires to other railways, but you're right in as that there is no equivalent section for gala appearances elsewhere. No reason we couldnpage doesn't have such use a page, but it would be a major exercise to backfill the history.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:50, 18 January 2017 (UTC):::Thanks both. Do you think we should we start one with 2017 galas out as an incomplete page, and allow people to backfill? Or let it ridepng file?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 0222:4322, 19 January 2017 26 April 2024 (UTC)::::If you're eager, go ahead Helps greatly thanks - just look how the [http://www.svrwiki.com/version1241/index.php?title=Steam_Locomotives_visiting_the_SVR_for_galas&oldid=1151 gala visitors] page started! I have to admit I donhadn't really know where to find historical information; realised how Graham created the SVR News sometimes mentions locos going off on hire, but I don't know if this is comprehensive? Then again, I'm sure Robin will find all the information about 7714's visit to the Little Piddling and Nowhere Railway's 1976 galaoriginal ... --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:44, 19 January 2017 (UTC):::::It must have been there as a static exhibit - according to the SVR Wiki it wasn't steamed png file until 1992. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 13:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC) ==Bug reports==I'm seeing <nowiki>{{#invoke:Navbox|navbox}}</nowiki> instead of Navboxes appearing on the carriage and loco pages. Anyone else? Can one of the administrators have a look please? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC):It was something I did without realising by altering parser settings while trying to convert page names to dates and vice versa. It should be working again now. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 16:48, 16 May 2017 (UTC)::Yes fixed. Belated thanks.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC) Another oddity. When I first access the home page without being logged in, the "On this day" link shows May 18. As soon as I log in, it refreshes correctly. Any ideas? Is it some sort of caching issue? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC):I was getting that as well. It was caused by <nowiki>{{#time:}} using "the time the page was last rendered into HTML" rather than the current time. For some reason, it would always default to May 18, even immediately after logging out after displaying the correct date while logged in. I've changed it now to read {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} and {{CURRENTDAY}} which do exactly what their names suggest.</nowiki> It seems to have solved the problem on the wiki itself, although I donadded 't know if there may still be a caching problem for individual users. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 00:56, 25 May 2017 (UTCLimited use)::I'm aware that it which is still not working as it should. Editing in the page also updates the displayed date, so the error doesn't show up until a day later, which makes it a slow job fixing it by trial correct font and error. I've asked for help on the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Traumjses54rw4ao Mediawiki Project Support Desk]--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 08:58, 27 May 2017 (UTC):::I think it's working now. If you want an explanation...The various Time and Date functions use the time the page was last rendered in to HTML. For a logged in user, that will be their current session, for a non-logged in user, it is the time the page was last modified, as shown at the bottom of every page. By linking to the internal On This Day page as if it was an external link, it seems to be creating the link using the real current time, even when logged out.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 22:52, 28 May 2017 (UTC)::::Another minor bug fixed. As the wiki was seeing the On This Day page as an external link, it was opening in created a new tab, rather than the same tab like all other internal links. I couldn't fix it properly, so the external link is now displayed as png file from a single full stop right at the bottom of the pagescreen grab, I couldn't make it completely invisible. Just having the link somewhere on tweaking the page forces all dates size to work correctly, so now match the internal link works as it should. There's another minor bug in that the wiki is set to GMT and is not adjusting for BSToriginal. I might look in to that one at some point could use other wording such as well. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 07:25, 29 May 2017 (UTC):::I really think I've got it this time. What was confusing me was the random image on the Main Page Test page which was causing that page to refresh every time it was viewed, whether logged in or not, which the proper Main Page wasnGalas only't doing. Irather than 've now set up the Main Page to automatically refresh every time. I thought this might slow down loading, but it doesnLimited use't seem to make any difference. What was slowing everything down was fetching nine individual images from Wikimedia Commons for the schematic map. I've now duplicated these locally, so not only does the page load a lot faster, logging in is a lot quicker as well.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 14:55, 2 June 2017 (UTC)::::Thanks for spending the time on it! It would be an idea to update the pre-1963 map page to use local icons as well; it can be very hit and miss loading at timesif preferred. (Not meant as a request, happy to do it myself when time permits). ::::Probably a bit late to ask this as were are closing in on 100 individual Day pages, but is there anything in them which could be better handled in a template called to each page, rather than the block of text we copy and paste each time?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1509:3211, 2 June 2017 28 April 2024 (UTC)