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==SpambotsSVR Unofficial Forum and National Preservation links (March 2018, updated February 2024) ==There are many links to these sources but both have moved, viz:*All requests to access the forum via https://forum.svra.org.uk should automatically be forwarded onto https://forum.svr-online.org.uk. However, please update any Bookmarks you may have and start using the new address. EDIT: February 2024, use https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ *<nowiki>http://railway.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/</nowiki> is now https://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/Are there any tools that can be run which at least changes the root? Or any clever ideas?:Maybe the SVR Wiki Bot could hunt for those links and edit as appropriate? One for Dan?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 14:48, 4 March 2018 (UTC)::The bot probably is the simplest answer - I'd usually just run a search-and-replace on the text, but it's all squirreled away in a database, which is a little more difficult! This also happens to be the first I've heard of the change, given that the old link is inaccessible for me due to the security configuration of the old forum address being incorrect. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC):::Turns out the bot comes with a script for text replacement included - I guess it's not that surprising! It's currently working its way through the wiki. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:35, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::I've managed to get the SVRA forum ones, but the only match the bot is finding for the NatPres link given is this page. Could someone link a page where the link is used so I can see what I've got wrong? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)::::[[The Waterman Railway Heritage Trust]], reference 5 for example. It normally appears in references rather than the body text if that makes a difference. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:06, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::::Aha, there's a change at the start of the link (railways.national-preservation vs. www.national-preservation) - I'd only noticed the addition of the number after the thread name. Hence I'd been searching for "www.national-preservation[...]" and only finding the new, corrected link above. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)::::::...having actually done it, the only references to railways.national-preservation.com are on this talk page and the one you linked. I can't find any references to the SVR photo guide forum thread that aren't on this page, and all other nat-pres links I can find (by directly searching through a text dump of the whole wiki) look like they should work. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:24, 8 March 2018 (UTC):::I noticed that SVRLive links should also be HTTPS, although again they were forwarding automatically. Having decided to do a manual search, hopefully all Nat-Pres, SVR-Online forum and SVRLive links in the Wiki are now HTTPS.:February 2024: the history of the SVR forum can be accessed via the Wayback internet archive at https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ --[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 15:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

This comes up periodically. There is no published guide of publicly available photo locations. There is an old thread at http://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/page-2 with quite a lot of info and a thread around Pacific Power. I've been modifying the Captcha questions m not a photographer but a guide would be useful. It would need some thought though, so as initial suggestions what it might include:Work north to try and find what works best, and SouthLocation nameGPSOS referenceMeans of accessParticular restrictionsTips - better in the number at least seems to be reduced.afternoon than morning type thingExample photo

As an additional measure, IAlso a does and don've also enabled blacklisting of known spam sources, as per [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam#DNSBL this ts section], and have turned on the requirement for email addresses to be verified (I noted that none of the bots had emails registeredtrespass etc.). I note there's a couple of people who haven't got confirmed email addresses, but most people should be fine - if you need to confirm your address, you can find the option under "Preferences" in the top right corner, then by scrolling down to almost the bottom of the page of options.

Thoughts?--[[User:Danny252Patrick Hearn|Danny252Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Danny252Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 1610:4155, 6 February 2015 19 December 2016 (UTC):I'd erred away from doing one in the past, in case the SVR considered it to be encouraging people to photograph from lineside (even in legitimate viewing locations) rather than paying to visit the railway. However the SVR itself gave a number of possible viewing locations for Pacific Power, so maybe not considered an issue? If we do add one, your suggestions would be a good start.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:59, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

I've enabled [httpOfficial response from Lewis Maddox://www"Great idea, if you need any photos let me know.mediawiki" So, going back to the original post, what's the best way of setting it up? Does it need a table with the headings I suggested.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist Is there a better way? This might be one where a similar blacklist] as welllittle thought and input from photographers is worthwhile...--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 2213:3206, 6 February 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

We changed :Just while thinking about it, on the [[Current events on the Capcha question Severn Valley Railway]] page, I put a comment relating to a dynamic one SVR Live that "Information which should have been harder is publicly accessible for spambots to crack.<br>It wasnenthusiasts includes Traffic Notices, Working Timetables, '''lineside photography policy and application forms't working as well as hoped, so I have now reworded the question to see if that's any better.<br>I believe it's possible to create different user groups with different posting rights, and so we could, for example move all the proven genuine contributors to a on."trusted" group so that they donHowever I can't have see photography policy on the new version, or on the inconvenience of having to solve a little puzzle every time SVR website either. Any idea where they want to make an edit. I'll look in to that later.<br>would be found these days?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1016:1350, 2 March 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Within an hour of making ::When I looked earlier this year, the lineside photography information available on the above changes, we had a load more spam.<br>It seems old site seemed to follow a set pattern be horribly out of creating a new account date, and then a User Page, so I have disabled upon enquiring directly with the ability for the default user groupSVR on Facebook, "User", to create pages and manually added all the genuine contributors to a new User Group "Trustworthy".<br>If response I have missed you out, or if you have any other problems, you should still be able to edit this page, so either reply here, email got gave methe impression they were only interested in direct inquiries, or post on the forum or Facebook page and I'll sort rather than advertising it out.<br>online? --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 1209:5152, 2 March 2015 5 January 2017 (UTC)

I've moved all :In terms of setting it up, the known genuine contributors to unofficial WSR site WSR.ORG.UK has a "Trustworthy" user group and removed page creation rights from all othersphotography section [http://www.wsr.org.uk/r-photters.<br>They're still getting through though somehow, so I have just disabled the ability to write directly to the APIhtm here].<br>I'm not too sure what this means myself, but I think it's a way There may be some good ideas to bypass the normal page creation method and, as I can't see any legitimate reason to use be had from it, and there was an option to disable it, that's what I've done.<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1716:0755, 3 March 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

: :Thank you. A job for when I suspect that that is how they were getting through without page creation rights - basically it means sending the command to create a page directly without loading up the "Creating page..." form first.have some time :)--[[User:WillSaltPatrick Hearn|WillSaltPatrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:WillSaltPatrick Hearn|talk]]) 2212:1728, 3 March 2015 18 January 2017 (UTC)

:::As a low grade entry point I note that have added to the bots seem [[Bewdley International Airport|Bewdley Airport]] page some basic details with an idea to be registering, but not actually making any edits currently - am I right to think that? add a simple [[From The last time that I can see a spam Window]] type guide page *created* is the 27th of Febwhen locations are populated. I've also fiddled with the settings a bit moreWhat do people think?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 10:55, and it definitely should be only allowing users with confirmed emails to edit/create/whatever now 11 February 2018 (plus the Trustworthy group, of courseUTC).

::::Looks good. I've added some directions. It would be good to illustrate each page with a photo taken from that location as well. --[[User:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|Danny252Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10:0234, 4 March 2015 12 February 2018 (UTC)

==Locomotives hired to or visiting other railways==We have sections for locos coming in, are there equivalents for SVR-resident locos going the other way? I can't find any. TIA--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 12:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC): Off the top of my head, no section exists yet. The pattern has changed slightly. exception would be for [[The spammers Severn Valley Railway on the main line|main line excursions]], which are listed on the linked locomotive pages, but not many of those happen these days! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 13:09, 18 January 2017 (UTC)::Some individual loco pages also mention longer term hires to other railways, but you're right in that there is no longer create their own user equivalent section for gala appearances elsewhere. No reason we couldn't have such a page, they create but it would be a separate major exercise to backfill the history.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:50, 18 January 2017 (UTC):::Thanks both. Do you think we should we start one with 2017 galas out as an incomplete page complete with spam title.<br>, and allow people to backfill? Or let it ride?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 02:43, 19 January 2017 (UTC)I::::If you've asked for advice on re eager, go ahead - just look how the [httpshttp://www.mediawikisvrwiki.orgcom/wikiversion1241/Project:Support_desk#xindex.24wgGroupPermissions_not_preventing_spammers_creating_new_pages_54546 php?title=Steam_Locomotives_visiting_the_SVR_for_galas&oldid=1151 gala visitors] page started! I have to admit I don't really know where to find historical information; the Mediawiki support desk] and got some interestSVR News sometimes mentions locos going off on hire, but not a solution yet.<br>It looks like my next step I don't know if this is comprehensive? Then again, I'm sure Robin will find all the information about 7714's visit to work out how to access the access logLittle Piddling and Nowhere Railway's 1976 gala... I had a quick look earlier--[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:44, but it's not as simple 19 January 2017 (UTC):::::It must have been there as I hoped. I'll put a bit more time in static exhibit - according to the SVR Wiki it laterwasn't steamed until 1992.<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 13:10:43, 4 March 2015 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Seems the bots may be smart enough to confirm emails as well, so ==Bug reports=====Navbox error===I've removed that change I did, so it should be back to how it is. Regarding the comment m seeing <nowiki>{{#invoke:Navbox|navbox}}</nowiki> instead of Navboxes appearing on the helpdesk query about alternate access to carriage and loco pages. Anyone else? Can one of the databaseadministrators have a look please? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC):It was something I've made sure that the old versions of wikis we had installed are now unable did without realising by altering parser settings while trying to convert page names to dates and vice versa. It should be used at allworking again now. They shouldn't have been at all accessible--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 16:48, but now they won't work even if they are16 May 2017 (UTC)::Yes fixed. Belated thanks. --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 1116:4918, 4 March 2015 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Would it be an idea to remove ===On this day refresh error===Another oddity. When I first access the mediawiki files that aren't home page without being used from logged in, the server"On this day" link shows May 18. As soon as I log in, it refreshes correctly. Any ideas? There seems to be 3 installations of the wiki, 2 Is it some sort of which are from the early days and no longer needed(caching issue?) - and it is still possible to view those pages if you know the url to use. -[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1416:0018, 4 March 2015 24 May 2017 (UTC) Just found a way :I was getting that as well. It was caused by <nowiki>{{#time:}} using "the time the page was last rendered into HTML" rather than the current time. For some reason, it would always default to May 18, even immediately after logging out after displaying the correct date while logged in. I've changed it now to read {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} and {{CURRENTDAY}} which do exactly what their names suggest.</nowiki> It seems to access logshave solved the problem on the wiki itself, could although I don't know if there may still be useful info a caching problem for individual users. -- once I understand it more!! [[User:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|SharpoGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 1700:1656, 4 March 2015 25 May 2017 (UTC) Another thing ::I did earlier today was to update some of the spam blacklists we've got setupm aware that it is still not working as it should. In some discussion with Sharpo over Editing the page also updates the access logs just nowdisplayed date, I can see that a number of so the IP addresses werenerror doesn't being caught beforeshow up until a day later, but should be with which makes it a slow job fixing it by trial and error. I've asked for help on the new settings[https://www.mediawiki. org/wiki/Topic:Traumjses54rw4ao Mediawiki Project Support Desk]--[[User:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|Danny252Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 2108:5558, 4 March 2015 27 May 2017 (UTC) As a further update, Sharpo has been keeping :::I think it's working now. If you want an eye on explanation...The various Time and Date functions use the time the access logpage was last rendered in to HTML. For a logged in user, and has noted that will be their current session, for a number non-logged in user, it is the time the page was last modified, as shown at the bottom of bots were using a security hole which we patched up yesterday (a every page. By linking to the internal On This Day page which shouldn't have been accessible as if it was). They still seem an external link, it seems to be trying quite hard to use itcreating the link using the real current time, but no spam has appeared todayeven when logged out. --[[User:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|Danny252Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 1822:4852, 5 March 2015 28 May 2017 (UTC) ::::Another minor bug fixed. As the wiki was seeing the On This Day page as an external link, it was opening in a new tab, rather than the same tab like all other internal links. I meant to saycouldn't fix it properly, so the external link is now displayed as a single full stop right at the bottom of the page, if you need help interpreting I couldn't make it completely invisible. Just having the link somewhere on the logs then feel free page forces all dates to askwork correctly, seeing so now the internal link works as itshould. There's another minor bug in that the sort of thing wiki is set to GMT and is not adjusting for BST. I'm supposed might look in to know about profesionally! that one at some point as well. --[[User:WillSaltGraham Phillips 110|WillSaltGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:WillSaltGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 2007:0525, 5 March 2015 29 May 2017 (UTC) :::I really think I've manually removed a lot of got it this time. What was confusing me was the random image on the spam accounts, Main Page Test page which whilst blocked and unable was causing that page to be usedrefresh every time it was viewed, were still whether logged in existence and cluttering or not, which the proper Main Page wasn't doing. I've now set up various pages (e.g. the user list, which has gone from 300 Main Page to 30)automatically refresh every time. This means that their "contributions" will likely have reverted to show just their IP addresses - don't worryI thought this might slow down loading, this but it doesn't mean that unregistered users have been editing seem to make any difference. What was slowing everything down was fetching nine individual images from Wikimedia Commons for the schematic map. I've now duplicated these locally, so not only does the site! page load a lot faster, logging in is a lot quicker as well.--[[User:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|Danny252Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 0914:2855, 6 March 2015 2 June 2017 (UTC)::::Thanks for spending the time on it! It would be an idea to update the pre-1963 map page to use local icons as well; it can be very hit and miss loading at times. (Not meant as a request, happy to do it myself when time permits). Interesting 'feature' ::::Probably a bit late to ask this as were are closing in on 100 individual Day pages, but is that the Recent Changes now shows your own IP address as there anything in them which could be better handled in a template called to each page, rather than the source block of the former spam accounts! Gave me a minor heart attack at first! text we copy and paste each time?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1415:2932, 6 March 2015 2 June 2017 (UTC) After my last comment on this page, [[User:Danny252|Danny252]] and [[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham]]gave me FTP and CPanel access to the site, and I had a bit of a chat with Danny about what I found and what I thought could do with tidying up (hang on whilst I pop my Sensible Professional IT Consultant hat on...). The end result is: I have just finished doing a big cleanup and deleted just about everything that wasn't needed to run d already started on the current install of MediaWiki (I did leave a huge debug log that was hanging about in case anybody wanted other maps when you replied. Consider it)done. Yes, now I '''did''' take know how easy it is to create and call a backup before I did ittemplate, so if you're worried that anything has gone missing, don't would bea better way of getting the forward and back dates. Please let me know I did wonder if anything now appears to be weirdly broken, but it shouldn't might be. The point of better if the cleanup is: although everyone else has already done sterling work at disabling the configuration of links just said "Previous" and "Next" rather than the old installsdate, making sure but that they're not linked anywhere, would mean going back and so on, getting rid of extraneous stuff altogether is the best way of reducing altering all the "attack surface" - the number of places people could get in, possibly using hacks we're not ourselves aware ofexisting ones for consistency. --[[User:WillSaltGraham Phillips 110|WillSaltGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:WillSaltGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 2216:2849, 8 March 2015 2 June 2017 (UTC) ==Stourport and Tenbury branches==

Would :I thought it be more correct had been working fine, but today it is linking to refer to these as June 20 when not logged in, even though a page exists for June 25. Not sure if it is a coincidence, but the Stourport Line and Wyre Forest Line home page was last edited on June 20. Has anything changed in the map and alter the linksback end, page titles and redirects to suitapart from switching Lingo back on?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 19:58, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

:My inclination would be not to bother (to the casual SVR visitor:Another oddity with 'On this day in history'. When logged out, both are branches off the line they are next and previous page links on)'August 4' and other days works fine. The former was simply When I log in they stop working, replaced by a continuation of the old SVR rather than grey box with a line dash in itself. The latter seems interchangeable between Wyre Forest Line, Tenbury Line and Tenbury Branch; Google favours the former but I'd be interested to dig out some original sources to see what the commonest usage was at the time. I don't think Not sure how long it has been happening - anyone browsing else getting the wiki will get too confused as it stands.same and if so, any idea why? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1814:3237, 6 February 2015 4 August 2017 (UTC)

OK:::It took a bit of trial and error, but I've changed finally got the link on Previous & Next links working. It turns out it needs spaces either side of the map to point + & - signs when searching for Pagename + 1 day etc. I've got no idea why it worked when logged out, but not when logged in, or why it used to Wyre Forest Linework and then stopped working, while keeping "Tenbury Branch" but it works now. I'm still stuck on the map itselfout of date On This Day link though. As the Wyre Forest Line article says, most Kidderminster It looks like we need a bot to Bewdley trains continued towards Tenbury, so if anything, automatically edit the Bridgnorth line was the branch. Howeverpage at 00:01 every day, going by the fact that the disused line branches away but creating a bot is beyond me at 90 degrees from the currently used linemoment.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 09:44, it seems more intuitive to refer to it as the branch in a modern context.6 August 2017 (UTC)

==Logo==Would it be a good idea ::::Thanks - I'll keep manually updating if I remember and nobody else beats me to have a suitable SVR image or logo on the main page. For a visitor seeing the page for the first time, it would give them some idea what it was all about. Yes--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 05:51, I know it should be obvious, but...... 7 August 2017 (UTC)

: For completeness, this issue has been "solved" through the use of the Svrwikibot, per Graham's suggestion --[[User:SharpoDanny252|SharpoDanny252]] ([[User talk:SharpoDanny252|talk]]) 0014:0907, 13 January 2015 30 October 2017 (UTC)

IAs of today it's bringing up the page for February 28th, in error --[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 15:24, 7 March 2022 (UTC):It've s been thinking broken for a while now. Danny's Wikibot seems to stop working after about 6 months, and once it does then the same 'on this day' link only refreshes (as far as logged out users are concerned) when there is a change saved on the home page (ie usually every Monday when I just mentioned it in one update the article of the forum threadsweek link!). I guess don't know to restart the main question is whether the SVR would be happy with us using its logo Wikibot - it's starting to sound like we'll need needs someone with access to get in contact with the office back end and a bit of knowledge. Maybe Graham or Will could have a look at some point on a few of these things. If they decide not? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:37, does someone feel suitably arty?7 March 2022 (UTC)

===Pages loading incorrectly when logged out===I'm finding a few pages which aren't loading correctly when not logged in, for example [[GWR 80684 Ballast Wagon]]. It reports part of the content being not secure and is referring to something in version 1241 which was the version before the https upgrade. Happens in both Chrome and IE. It loads fine when logged in, so I assume it may be another caching issue. Did we have a back end utility for refreshing all the pages and if so, could one of the admins run it? --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 0917:2353, 13 January 2015 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps in : I wasn't getting a secure content warning, but the meanwhile we shouldpage wasn't loading correctly for me either. I can't say I understand where these odd little issues come from! I've adopted the SVR Online logo. Also; starting fixed that page manually, and I think I found a script I can set to add headings here run every so often to separate topics. I hope clear the whole cache - did you identify any other pages, and if so, can you're all OK with this. check them now? --[[User:BoldfordDanny252|BoldfordDanny252]] ([[User talk:BoldfordDanny252|talk]]) 0916:3927, 1 February 2015 16 December 2017 (UTC)

::I emailed marketing@svrliveselected about 10 other Wagons pages at random and found these - [[BR General Goods Containers]] / [[BR 993898 'Shark' Ballast Plough Brake]] / [[GWR 125059 Covered Goods Van (body only)]].com on 16th January to ask permission to use the official SVR logo. I haven't heard back yetThere may be others, so although I've gone not noticed any other than wagons pages thus far. Not a lot I can add on the diagnostices, except:::*IE shows a text only page, and used it anyway. If I get includes a threatening letter line saying for example ''<nowiki>Retrieved from their solicitors, I‘http://www.svrwiki.com/version1241/index.php?title=BR_General_Goods_Containers&oldid=8055’</nowiki>''ll change it back again. Clicking the link takes you to the old page on the non-secure site. It also shows a box at the bottom "Only secure content displayed." ::*Chrome does the same but without the pop up box. ::--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 0722:5600, 2 February 2015 16 December 2017 (UTC)

That logo looks much better:::I get the same text-only page displayed as you get with IE. The fact they're still showing like that at least means that my attempted fixes so far didn't work! The "retrieved from" is apparently not the error itself - the text is usually hidden by the page style, and the fact the page isn't loading the style (or any pictures) is why that occurs. I've reset some more of the cache settings, which seems to have fixed it. I don't understand some of this dark voodoo... --[[User:SharpoDanny252|SharpoDanny252]] ([[User talk:SharpoDanny252|talk]]) 0818:0524, 2 February 2015 18 December 2017 (UTC)

==Location=Loss of session data===WeIn the last few weeks I'll probably spend a lot of ve noticed that from time to time providing info about the SVRWiki is logging me off in mid-edit. With a normal log in, but we also need my status is changed to show where it is for people who come across this wiki & decide logged out (ie the railway might be worth a visit. So, for those arty people amongst us, how about finding a suitable size image top right button reverts to 'Log in') and of course I can't save the UK that can be usedpage. If I have selected "stay logged in" when logging in, with a highlighted area showing exactly where the Railway top right button is, then still showing an enlargement 'Log out' but I get the message ''Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. You might have been logged out.'' Abandoning the area alongside the UK image with the main stations highlighted edit and restarting it then works fine without actually needing to log out and in again. Is there anything unusual happening at the course of the railway.server back end?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:20, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

===Missing Signature button===Prompted by Patrick's comments "''(can't find the date stamp)''" in several posts in [[Query Corner#Santa services|Query Corner]], it appears that recent versions of MediaWiki have removed the signature button that used to be shown when editing 'normal' pages; it still appears when editing Discussion pages. There is a '''[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgExtraSignatureNamespaces configuration variable available here]''' which allows the button to be added back in specific pages. Could one of the admins see if it is possible to add this configuration variable so the button can be put back in Query Corner? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC):Done. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10:00, 30 November 2018 (UTC)::Thanks. --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1117:3953, 13 January 2015 30 November 2018 (UTC)

On the subject of maps, ===Service Unavailable message===While I've adapted the map at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Severn_Valley_Railway_map] to only show as much of the SVR as is currently m in use. It works OK on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Graham_Phillips_110/sandbox my sandbox], but not here http://www.svrwiki.com/Map.<br>I gather I need to import the template that the map is based onBug reports page, but I can't find instructions on how m seeing a message from time to do that.<br>I was going to duplicate the full GWR/SVR map and create a more detailed map, showing more features time as well.<br>Is it worth persevering, or would it just be easier to create the maps some other way?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10follows:42, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

I was looking on the internet yesterday for suitable maps & saw that very same page Service Unavailable<br> The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.<br> Additionally, then thought I would do a tracing from a map & then create my own simple map from that - then scan & upload it. It 503 Service Unavailable error was then I realised I was spending time on this instead of doing other things!! In answer encountered while trying to your question, I don't know how use an ErrorDocument to edit that template to how you want ithandle the request. May be better to draw a new version? [[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 11:00, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

I think the main issue It is that the map requires usually when requesting a special page like 'recent changes' but occasionally when accessing a normal page. Been happening for a standard set couple of images months now. Another one for Graham or Will to have a look at if possible? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] (about 3000![[User talk:Robin|talk]]) that exist on Wikipedia15:41, which you can tile together to show the layout 7 March 2022 (e.g. plain track, station, disused station, and so onUTC), as well as all the templates it pulls in. It might be possible to copy it over, but I don't know if it would be a good idea to pick and choose the bits we want, or alternatively to copy the whole lot over with a lot of redundant bits, but with the flexibility to make more in future.

--[[== User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:15, 14 January 2015 (UTC)permissions ==

I was hoping it would be possible to import 've modified the template user permissions so that new users can create articles and just those icons used as talk pages without being marked "trustworthy". I found ita bit odd that having created a new user, I couldn's a handy way of linking directly to stations on the line directly from the mapt edit my own user page..I was then going to create a more detailed map showing all the bridges etc. with Given that spambots are a link to each.Maybe Inon-issue now, hopefully we'm asking too much and it would ll be best to stick to a normal image file of a mapok.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 1209:5525, 14 January 2015 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Back again, just found I'm playing around with making an example on a wiki"svrwikibot", there is an image where you can click on mainly to do the different people you can seefront page update that Robin currently does. httpI've gone with the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap[[UserManual:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]Pywikibot Pywikibot]framework, because a) 15:09, 14 January 2015 (UTCI can code Python and b)it works.

WowIf anyone has other ideas for things we could get the bot to do, took let me a few hours to understand know. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 09:27, 9 October 2017 (UTC): Alright, hold your breath - if it's working, but I have learnt how to create more than one link from within an image within a wiki. My own wiki test included 2 locos in a photo & moving the cursor to either of bot will now update the locos would give a link for that locomain page comment at 5am BST (4am GMT) daily... --[[User:SharpoDanny252|SharpoDanny252]] ([[User talk:SharpoDanny252|talk]]) 2110:4001, 14 January 2015 9 October 2017 (UTC)

I::If there was a 'like've been spending far too long button on this as wellhere, but I've finally got thered press it! I'm not sure about other functions for it to carry out.Most of the bot edits I come across on Wikipedia tend to be formatting and housekeeping, things like stripping leading and trailing spaces in tables, changing links and references separated by <nowiki><br>Click </nowiki> to bullet format and so on the town names . Not a particular priority here in my view. One of them moves references after closing punctuation, which would cause a problem on the here because of our formatting issue (see my [[Map User:Robin| Mapuser page]] .<br>It takes a bit of trial and error to get the box coordinates in the right place), but which I think this is a better than caused by the standard route map as it allows linking of nearby features of interest, such as conflict with the Engine Houseterminology add-on (whose name I forget). Presumably we haven't got anywhere with resolving that one? --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 0114:4610, 15 January 2015 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Some good work there. ::: The main thing now addon in question is to get "Lingo". I remember hoping/expecting the software update earlier this year would fix it. However, it didn't, and at the time I did put in a suitable map - report about the issue still being present. Looking back at the OS maps will presumably somewhat awkwardbug report, given that the "Kidderminster" label is nearer to Bewdley Station than Kidder! there's been no response or fix yet. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 1008:1438, 15 January 2015 12 October 2017 (UTC)

::::Thanks, I thought it was a short name like the map on the front pagethat. Would it be worth It's not a showstopper, I'll just keep putting on each references inside punctuation at the end of the station pages to show their positioning on the SVR?formatted paragraphs pending developments. --[[User:Brick60000Robin|Brick60000Robin]] ([[User talk:Brick60000Robin|talk]]) 1613:1753, 16 January 2015 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Up to now, everyone's been making changes without consulting anyone else. There haven't been any disputes yet, but should we be putting things to a vote first?<br>Minor edits of text should be OK, but what about more conspicuous changes like adding :Page history suggests the maps and logo? I just went ahead and did it. Should we have discussed it first? I can easily undo it.<br>Should we have a picture bot last updated on the front page? How do we pick one7 April?<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 0823:4334, 31 January 2015 11 April 2018 (UTC)

If you decide ::Indeed! It seems I might have to have a picture on occasionally re-confirm the front pagelogin details, keep or else that it interesting by changing it every week. Otherwise, once this wiki nears completion (if that is ever likely to happen) people aren't likely somehow forgot how to look at it very oftenlogin. --[[User:SharpoDanny252|SharpoDanny252]] ([[User talk:SharpoDanny252|talk]]) 1309:4629, 31 January 2015 12 April 2018 (UTC)

:My 10p worth is Message for Graham in Dan's absence. Just noticed the Bot stopped working again on 9 October 2018 so long as if you think it is an improvementare not logged in, carry on and add/edit as necessary which is the idea of On this day link goes to the last day the page was updated rather than the current day. It may be a Wiki; stopping for votes just delays thingscoincidence but both times it seems to have stopped after 6 months. Worth adding Could you have a note in the summary if comment is required, eg if I had a better logo (which I don’t!) I would upload it and say “shall we try this insteadlook please?”TIA.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1710:3242, 31 January 2015 1 April 2020 (UTC)

I've "protected" the front page, logo ===Railway Heritage Register links update===The Railway Heritage Register Carriage Survey and maps to prevent any malicious editsWagon Survey have historically been hosted on vintagecarriagestrust. We haven't had much spam yetorg, but there was the possibility that someone could alter the front page are permanently moving to something unwanteda new host on 9 April. If anyone wants to make From a genuine editquick test today, they can put it here the record numbers within URLs are the same on the Talk page old and one of new host, therefore all that is needed in the links is to update the administrators can do ithost address.<br>I created There is a second problem in that the text within the link normally takes the logo in Paint form of '... on my PC vintagecarriagestrust.org' which also needs updating (for simplicity and thought clarity Isuggest using '... on Railway Heritage Register On-Line'd got for both Carriages and Wagons). It would be a reasonably good match for great help if these changes could be done by the chocolate & creambot. The cream looks a bit beige now on my chromebook'search and replace' involved is:*Step 1: replace '''cs.vintagecarriagestrust. If anyoneorg''' by ''s got the correct colour codes, I'll do a new onecs.rhrp.org.<br>uk'''I don*Step 2: replace '''ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''ws.rhrp.org.uk'''t know if a picture as well as the two maps would be too much though?<br>There*Step 3: replace '''s a random image extension for wikimedia which can be installedon vintagecarriagestrust.<br>org''' by '''on Railway Heritage Register On-Line'''One idea I had was a long thin picture of a full train in profileSteps 1 and 2 should fix the relevant URLs, taking up and step 3 the full width of link wording for at least the page, but only a couple of lines worth majority of depthlinks. The picture could be selected at random from one There are links in a number of each carriage setdifferent areas including current and former carriages and wagons etc. Worth a try?<br>Hope that is possible.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 0917:23, 27, 1 February 2015 2019 (UTC)

== Mobile view ==:I decided don't think this has cropped up before. I have just noticed that Navboxes do not appear in Mobile view. This is apparently deliberate, as detailed in [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124168 this article]. In most cases they are probably a 'nice to have' rather than essential to navigation, but in [[The Severn Valley Railway in preservation]] they are currently the only method of navigating to tweak other history pages. It should be possible to create the wording same links in a bit table instead of a Navbox which may be the answer in that instance. Something to bear in mind as we create future pages, particularly as mobile devices are increasingly used for browsing. Any thoughts or suggestions welcome. - please revert it if you don't like it! -[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:03, 13 April 2018 (UTC)::Update; I duly added a table rather than a Navbox which works OK in Mobile view. We just have to remember to update that table at the same time as updating the Template:TimelineNavbox.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1622:1435, 16 31 December 2016 2019 (UTC)

:Something else I found that appears not to work in Mobile view. The [[Unsuccessful proposals for railways in the Severn Valley]] page has a statement <nowiki><div class== Image "toclimit-2">__TOC__</div></nowiki> to limit the number of items in the table of contents. The level 3 headings should be suppressed but appear in Mobile view. Not a major issue, but annoying!--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 22:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC)::Problem solved, thanks to help from the month ==Mediawiki Project:Suport Desk --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 22:37, 2 January 2020 (UTC):::Thanks. I see in their response that we're due a MediaWiki version update - good luck! --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 23:17, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

== Using images I'll be busy for much of the next few weeks with unknown copyright ==moving, a honeymoon, and whatever else I've forgotten - if someone else wants to have a go at doing featured articles for a few weeks, feel free! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC):Best of luck with everything! An open invitation at any time for anyone to pick an article they would like to feature, either by adding it themselves or by letting me know and I'll add it. There is a [[:Category:Featured articles|Category page]] which lists the articles already featured. If nobody else does choose an article, I'll try to keep updating them on a weekly basis. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:13, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

::Regarding whether you can extend copyright by digitising a piece of work, the Ordnance Survey relinquishes crown copyright after 50 years as per the link I posted [[Tips for contributing to the SVR Wiki#Ordnance Survey Maps / Crown Copyright | here]]. However the National Library of Scotland claims copyright over their scans of OS maps which are older than that, hence it appears you can do so (and I have updated all the OS extracts accordingly).--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC) ==Changes needed please==A section to note any amendments needed on this page for the attention of the administrators. Suggest we delete items when done to keep the list current. == Article/page count == I've removed the line in the introduction that gave the current number of articles/images on the wiki. I had recently noticed the main page was taking much longer to access than any other page, and that other pages would not load until the main page was loaded, implying it was somehow locking up created a large number copy of resources. Removing the page/image counts, which were probably re-counted each time the page was opened, appears to have significantly improved the speed! I suspect this is a combination of the actual article counting process being slow for some reason, as well as the main page having to be generated from scratch each time it was viewed Graham's original schematic map changing "Eardington Halt (in case the counts had changedDisused) which is quite a slow process... --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 08:47, 12 July 2016 (UTC):Does seem quicker - no great loss not having the information. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC) == Wiki content license == It was realised earlier today that it was never made clear what license was applied " to content on the Wiki, with the exception of uploaded files "Eardington" (where a license is picked on uploading). I've applied the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 license], the same name as is consistently used on Wikipedia - this license does not apply if a different license is specified (e.g. uploaded images). If you have any complaints, speak now, or forever hold your peace! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 22:34, 19 November 2016 (UTC) :No complaints, but could you tweak the site settings to include the CC icon in the button at the foot of the page where currently is just shows 'Creative'. Found [https://creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?license_code=by-sa&amp;jurisdiction=&amp;version=3.0&amp;lang=en this page of instructions] which may help. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:45, 24 November 2016 (UTC) ::Like so? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 21:04, 24 November 2016 (UTC) :::That looks better, thanks!--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 21:11, 24 November 2016 (UTCSVR gala publications etc) == SVR photographic guide == This comes up periodically. There is no published guide of publicly available photo locations. There is an old thread at http://railways.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/page-2 with quite a lot of info and a thread around Pacific Power. I'm not a photographer but a guide would be useful. It would need some thought though, so as initial suggestions what it might include:Work north to SouthLocation nameGPSOS referenceMeans of accessParticular restrictionsTips - better in the afternoon than morning type thingExample photo Also a does and don'ts section (trespass etc.) Thoughts?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 10:55, 19 December 2016 (UTC):I'd erred away from doing one in t have the past, in case the SVR considered it correct font to be encouraging people to photograph from lineside (even in legitimate viewing locations) rather than paying to visit the railway. However the SVR itself gave a number of possible viewing locations for Pacific Power, so maybe not considered an issue? If we do add oneany new text, your suggestions would be a good start.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ie "([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:59, 29 December 2016 (UTCLimited use) Official response from Lewis Maddox: "Great idea, if you need any photos let me know." So, going back to the original post, whatbut I think on balance it's the best way of setting it up? Does it need a table with the headings I suggested. Is there a better way? This might be one where a little thought and input from photographers is worthwhileas changed...--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 13:06, 4 January 2017 (UTC) :Just while thinking about it, on the [[Current events on the Severn Valley Railway]] page, I put a comment relating to SVR Live that "Information which The station icon is publicly accessible for enthusiasts includes Traffic Notices, Working Timetables, still in 'disused''lineside photography policy colour which suggests something different and application forms''', and so on." However I can't see photography policy on the new version, or on linked page gives the SVR website eitheroperational status. Any idea where they would be found these days?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:50, 4 January 2017 (UTC) ::When I looked earlier this year, the lineside photography information available on the old site seemed to be horribly out of date, and upon enquiring directly might have a go at creating a completely new file at some point with the SVR on Facebook, the response I got gave me the impression they were only interested in direct inquiriesadditional text, rather than advertising it online? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 09:52, 5 January 2017 (UTC) :In terms of setting it up, the unofficial WSR site WSR.ORG.UK has a photography section [http://www.wsr.org.uk/r-photters.htm here]. There may be some good ideas unless Graham happens to be had from itread this and gets there first.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1609:5558, 4 January 2017 21 April 2024 (UTC) ::Thank you. A job for when I have some time :)--On the [[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick HearnList of stations]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 12:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC) ==Locomotives hired page I've minor edited the schematic to or visiting other railways==We have sections for locos coming in, are there equivalents for SVR-resident locos going the other way? I canremove 't find any. TIA--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]disused) 12:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC): Off ' and change the top of my head, no section exists yet. The exception would be icon colour for [[The Severn Valley Railway on the main line|main line excursions]], which are listed station (look on the linked locomotive pages, but not many of those happen these days! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 13:09, 18 January 2017 (UTC)::Some individual loco pages also mention longer term hires to other railways, but you're right in that there is no equivalent section for gala appearances elsewhere. No reason we couldnchanges't have such a page, but it would be a major exercise to backfill the history.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]see what changes I made) 15:50, 18 January 2017 (UTC):::Thanks both. Do you think we should we start one with 2017 galas out as an incomplete page, and allow people to backfill? Or let it ride?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 02:43, 19 January 2017 (UTC)::::If you're eager, go ahead - just look how the [http://www.svrwiki.com/version1241/index.php?title=Steam_Locomotives_visiting_the_SVR_for_galas&oldid=1151 gala visitors] page started! I have to admit I don't really know where to find historical information; the SVR News sometimes mentions locos going off on hire, but I don't know if How this is comprehensive? Then again, might help I'm not sure Robin will find all the information about 7714's visit to the Little Piddling and Nowhere Railway's 1976 gala... --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:44, 19 January 2017 (UTC):::::It must have been there as a static exhibit - according to the SVR Wiki it wasnthat page doesn't steamed until 1992. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 13:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC) ==Bug reports==I'm seeing <nowiki>{{#invoke:Navbox|navbox}}</nowiki> instead of Navboxes appearing on the carriage and loco pages. Anyone else? Can one of the administrators have use a look please? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC):It was something I did without realising by altering parser settings while trying to convert page names to dates and vice versa. It should be working again now. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 16:48, 16 May 2017 (UTC)::Yes fixed. Belated thanks.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC) Another oddity. When I first access the home page without being logged in, the "On this day" link shows May 18. As soon as I log in, it refreshes correctly. Any ideas? Is it some sort of caching issuepng file? --[[User:RobinPatrick Hearn|RobinPatrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:RobinPatrick Hearn|talk]]) 1622:1822, 24 May 2017 26 April 2024 (UTC)