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==SpambotsSVR Unofficial Forum and National Preservation links (March 2018, updated February 2024) ==There are many links to these sources but both have moved, viz:*All requests to access the forum via https://forum.svra.org.uk should automatically be forwarded onto https://forum.svr-online.org.uk. However, please update any Bookmarks you may have and start using the new address. EDIT: February 2024, use https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ *<nowiki>http://railway.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/</nowiki> is now https://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/Are there any tools that can be run which at least changes the root? Or any clever ideas?:Maybe the SVR Wiki Bot could hunt for those links and edit as appropriate? One for Dan?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 14:48, 4 March 2018 (UTC)::The bot probably is the simplest answer - I'd usually just run a search-and-replace on the text, but it's all squirreled away in a database, which is a little more difficult! This also happens to be the first I've heard of the change, given that the old link is inaccessible for me due to the security configuration of the old forum address being incorrect. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC):::Turns out the bot comes with a script for text replacement included - I guess it's not that surprising! It's currently working its way through the wiki. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:35, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::I've managed to get the SVRA forum ones, but the only match the bot is finding for the NatPres link given is this page. Could someone link a page where the link is used so I can see what I've got wrong? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)::::[[The Waterman Railway Heritage Trust]], reference 5 for example. It normally appears in references rather than the body text if that makes a difference. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:06, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::::Aha, there's a change at the start of the link (railways.national-preservation vs. www.national-preservation) - I'd only noticed the addition of the number after the thread name. Hence I'd been searching for "www.national-preservation[...]" and only finding the new, corrected link above. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)::::::...having actually done it, the only references to railways.national-preservation.com are on this talk page and the one you linked. I can't find any references to the SVR photo guide forum thread that aren't on this page, and all other nat-pres links I can find (by directly searching through a text dump of the whole wiki) look like they should work. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:24, 8 March 2018 (UTC):::I noticed that SVRLive links should also be HTTPS, although again they were forwarding automatically. Having decided to do a manual search, hopefully all Nat-Pres, SVR-Online forum and SVRLive links in the Wiki are now HTTPS.:February 2024: the history of the SVR forum can be accessed via the Wayback internet archive at https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ --[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 15:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

This comes up periodically. There is no published guide of publicly available photo locations. There is an old thread at http://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/page-2 with quite a lot of info and a thread around Pacific Power. I've been modifying the Captcha questions m not a photographer but a guide would be useful. It would need some thought though, so as initial suggestions what it might include:Work north to try and find what works best, and SouthLocation nameGPSOS referenceMeans of accessParticular restrictionsTips - better in the number at least seems to be reduced.afternoon than morning type thingExample photo

As an additional measure, IAlso a does and don've also enabled blacklisting of known spam sources, as per [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam#DNSBL this ts section], and have turned on the requirement for email addresses to be verified (I noted that none of the bots had emails registeredtrespass etc.). I note there's a couple of people who haven't got confirmed email addresses, but most people should be fine - if you need to confirm your address, you can find the option under "Preferences" in the top right corner, then by scrolling down to almost the bottom of the page of options.

Thoughts?--[[User:Danny252Patrick Hearn|Danny252Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Danny252Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 1610:4155, 6 February 2015 19 December 2016 (UTC):I'd erred away from doing one in the past, in case the SVR considered it to be encouraging people to photograph from lineside (even in legitimate viewing locations) rather than paying to visit the railway. However the SVR itself gave a number of possible viewing locations for Pacific Power, so maybe not considered an issue? If we do add one, your suggestions would be a good start.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:59, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

I've enabled [httpOfficial response from Lewis Maddox://www"Great idea, if you need any photos let me know.mediawiki" So, going back to the original post, what's the best way of setting it up? Does it need a table with the headings I suggested.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist Is there a better way? This might be one where a similar blacklist] as welllittle thought and input from photographers is worthwhile...--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 2213:3206, 6 February 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

We changed :Just while thinking about it, on the [[Current events on the Capcha question Severn Valley Railway]] page, I put a comment relating to a dynamic one SVR Live that "Information which should have been harder is publicly accessible for spambots to crack.<br>It wasnenthusiasts includes Traffic Notices, Working Timetables, '''lineside photography policy and application forms't working as well as hoped, so I have now reworded the question to see if that's any better.<br>I believe it's possible to create different user groups with different posting rights, and so we could, for example move all the proven genuine contributors to a on."trusted" group so that they donHowever I can't have see photography policy on the new version, or on the inconvenience of having to solve a little puzzle every time SVR website either. Any idea where they want to make an edit. I'll look in to that later.<br>would be found these days?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1016:1350, 2 March 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Within an hour of making ::When I looked earlier this year, the lineside photography information available on the above changes, we had a load more spam.<br>It seems old site seemed to follow a set pattern be horribly out of creating a new account date, and then a User Page, so I have disabled upon enquiring directly with the ability for the default user groupSVR on Facebook, "User", to create pages and manually added all the genuine contributors to a new User Group "Trustworthy".<br>If response I have missed you out, or if you have any other problems, you should still be able to edit this page, so either reply here, email got gave methe impression they were only interested in direct inquiries, or post on the forum or Facebook page and I'll sort rather than advertising it out.<br>online? --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 1209:5152, 2 March 2015 5 January 2017 (UTC)

I've moved all the known genuine contributors to a "Trustworthy" user group and removed page creation rights from all others.<br>They're still getting through though somehow, so I have just disabled the ability to write directly to the API.<br>I'm not too sure what this means myself, but I think it's a way to bypass the normal page creation method and, as I can't see any legitimate reason to use it, and there was an option to disable it, that's what I've done.<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 17:07, 3 March 2015 (UTC) : I suspect that that is how they were getting through without page creation rights - basically In terms of setting it means sending the command to create a page directly without loading up the "Creating page..." form first.--[[User:WillSalt|WillSalt]] ([[User talk:WillSalt|talk]]) 22:17, 3 March 2015 (UTC) I note that the bots seem to be registering, but not actually making any edits currently - am I right to think that? The last time that I can see a spam page *created* is the 27th of Febunofficial WSR site WSR. I've also fiddled with the settings a bit more, and it definitely should be only allowing users with confirmed emails to edit/create/whatever now (plus the Trustworthy group, of course)ORG.  --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:02, 4 March 2015 (UTC) The pattern UK has changed slightly. The spammers no longer create their own user page, they create a separate page complete with spam title.<br>I've asked for advice on photography section [httpshttp://www.mediawikiwsr.org.uk/wiki/Project:Support_desk#xr-photters.24wgGroupPermissions_not_preventing_spammers_creating_new_pages_54546 the Mediawiki support deskhtm here] and got some interest, but not a solution yet.<br>It looks like my next step is to work out how to access the access log. I had a quick look earlier, but it's not as simple as I hoped. I'll put a bit more time in to it later.<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10:43, 4 March 2015 (UTC) Seems the bots There may be smart enough some good ideas to confirm emails as well, so I've removed that change I did, so it should be back to how it is. Regarding the comment on the helpdesk query about alternate access to the database, I've made sure that the old versions of wikis we had installed are now unable to be used at all. They shouldn't have been at all accessible, but now they won't work even if they are. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 11:49, 4 March 2015 (UTC) Would it be an idea to remove the mediawiki files that aren't being used from the server? There seems to be 3 installations of the wiki, 2 of which are from the early days and no longer needed(?) - and it is still possible to view those pages if you know the url to use. [[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 14:00, 4 March 2015 (UTC) Just found a way to access logs, could be useful info - once I understand it more!! [[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 17:16, 4 March 2015 (UTC) Another thing I did earlier today was to update some of the spam blacklists we've got setup. In some discussion with Sharpo over the access logs just now, I can see that a number of the IP addresses weren't being caught before, but should be with the new settings. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 21:55, 4 March 2015 (UTC) As a further update, Sharpo has been keeping an eye on the access log, and has noted that a number of bots were using a security hole which we patched up yesterday (a page which shouldn't have been accessible was). They still seem to be trying quite hard to use it, but no spam has appeared today. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 18:48, 5 March 2015 (UTC) I meant to say, if you need help interpreting the logs then feel free to ask, seeing as it's the sort of thing I'm supposed to know about profesionally! --[[User:WillSalt|WillSalt]] ([[User talk:WillSalt|talk]]) 20:05, 5 March 2015 (UTC) I've manually removed a lot of the spam accounts, which whilst blocked and unable to be used, were still in existence and cluttering up various pages (e.g. the user list, which has gone from 300 to 30). This means that their "contributions" will likely have reverted to show just their IP addresses - don't worry, this doesn't mean that unregistered users have been editing the site! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 09:28, 6 March 2015 (UTC) Interesting 'feature' is that the Recent Changes now shows your own IP address as the source of the former spam accounts! Gave me a minor heart attack at first! --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 14:29, 6 March 2015 (UTC) After my last comment on this page, [[User:Danny252|Danny252]] and [[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham]]gave me FTP and CPanel access to the site, and I had a bit of a chat with Danny about what I found and what I thought could do with tidying up (hang on whilst I pop my Sensible Professional IT Consultant hat on...). The end result is: I have just finished doing a big cleanup and deleted just about everything that wasn't needed to run the current install of MediaWiki (I did leave a huge debug log that was hanging about in case anybody wanted it). I '''did''' take a backup before I did it, so if you're worried that anything has gone missing, don't be. Please let me know if anything now appears to be weirdly broken, but it shouldn't be. The point of the cleanup is: although everyone else has already done sterling work at disabling the configuration of the old installs, making sure that they're not linked anywhere, and so on, getting rid of extraneous stuff altogether is the best way of reducing the "attack surface" - the number of places people could get in, possibly using hacks we're not ourselves aware of. --[[User:WillSalt|WillSalt]] ([[User talk:WillSalt|talk]]) 22:28, 8 March 2015 (UTC) ==Stourport and Tenbury branches== Would it be more correct to refer to these as the Stourport Line and Wyre Forest Line on the map and alter the links, page titles and redirects to suit? :My inclination would be not to bother (to the casual SVR visitor, both are branches off the line they are on). The former was simply a continuation of the old SVR rather than a line in itself. The latter seems interchangeable between Wyre Forest Line, Tenbury Line and Tenbury Branch; Google favours the former but I'd be interested to dig out some original sources to see what the commonest usage was at the time. I don't think anyone browsing the wiki will get too confused as it stands.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1816:3255, 6 February 2015 (UTC) OK, I've changed the link on the map to point to Wyre Forest Line, while keeping "Tenbury Branch" on the map itself. As the Wyre Forest Line article says, most Kidderminster to Bewdley trains continued towards Tenbury, so if anything, the Bridgnorth line was the branch. However, going by the fact that the disused line branches away at 90 degrees from the currently used line, it seems more intuitive to refer to it as the branch in a modern context. ==Logo==Would it be a good idea to have a suitable SVR image or logo on the main page. For a visitor seeing the page for the first time, it would give them some idea what it was all about. Yes, I know it should be obvious, but......  [[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 00:09, 13 4 January 2015 2017 (UTC)

::Thank you. A job for when I've been thinking the same have some time :)--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] (I just mentioned it in one of the forum threads[[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]). I guess the main question is whether the SVR would be happy with us using its logo - it's starting to sound like we'll need to get in contact with the office at some point on a few of these things. If they decide not12:28, does someone feel suitably arty?18 January 2017 (UTC)

:::As a low grade entry point I have added to the [[Bewdley International Airport|Bewdley Airport]] page some basic details with an idea to add a simple [[From The Window]] type guide page when locations are populated. What do people think?--[[User:Danny252Patrick Hearn|Danny252Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Danny252Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 0910:2355, 13 January 2015 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps in the meanwhile we should::::Looks good. I've adopted the SVR Online logoadded some directions. Also; starting It would be good to add headings here to separate topics. I hope you're all OK illustrate each page with thisa photo taken from that location as well. --[[User:BoldfordGraham Phillips 110|BoldfordGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:BoldfordGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 0910:3934, 1 12 February 2015 2018 (UTC)

==Locomotives hired to or visiting other railways==We have sections for locos coming in, are there equivalents for SVR-resident locos going the other way? I emailed marketing@svrlivecan't find any. TIA--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 12:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC): Off the top of my head, no section exists yet.com The exception would be for [[The Severn Valley Railway on the main line|main line excursions]], which are listed on 16th the linked locomotive pages, but not many of those happen these days! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 13:09, 18 January 2017 (UTC)::Some individual loco pages also mention longer term hires to ask permission other railways, but you're right in that there is no equivalent section for gala appearances elsewhere. No reason we couldn't have such a page, but it would be a major exercise to use backfill the history.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:50, 18 January 2017 (UTC):::Thanks both. Do you think we should we start one with 2017 galas out as an incomplete page, and allow people to backfill? Or let it ride?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 02:43, 19 January 2017 (UTC)::::If you're eager, go ahead - just look how the [http://www.svrwiki.com/version1241/index.php?title=Steam_Locomotives_visiting_the_SVR_for_galas&oldid=1151 gala visitors] page started! I have to admit I don't really know where to find historical information; the official SVR logo. News sometimes mentions locos going off on hire, but I havendon't heard back yetknow if this is comprehensive? Then again, so I've gone m sure Robin will find all the information about 7714's visit to the Little Piddling and used it anywayNowhere Railway's 1976 gala... If I get --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:44, 19 January 2017 (UTC):::::It must have been there as a threatening letter from their solicitors, Istatic exhibit - according to the SVR Wiki it wasn'll change it back againt steamed until 1992. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 0713:5610, 2 February 2015 19 January 2017 (UTC)

That logo looks much better! ==Bug reports=====Navbox error===I'm seeing <nowiki>{{#invoke:Navbox|navbox}}</nowiki> instead of Navboxes appearing on the carriage and loco pages. Anyone else? Can one of the administrators have a look please? --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 16:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC):It was something I did without realising by altering parser settings while trying to convert page names to dates and vice versa. It should be working again now. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 16:48, 16 May 2017 (UTC)::Yes fixed. Belated thanks.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:0518, 2 February 2015 24 May 2017 (UTC)

==Location=On this day refresh error===We'll probably spend a lot Another oddity. When I first access the home page without being logged in, the "On this day" link shows May 18. As soon as I log in, it refreshes correctly. Any ideas? Is it some sort of caching issue? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC):I was getting that as well. It was caused by <nowiki>{{#time providing info about :}} using "the time the page was last rendered into HTML" rather than the current time. For some reason, it would always default to May 18, even immediately after logging out after displaying the correct date while logged in. I've changed it now to read {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} and {{CURRENTDAY}} which do exactly what their names suggest.</nowiki> It seems to have solved the SVRproblem on the wiki itself, but we although I don't know if there may still be a caching problem for individual users. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 00:56, 25 May 2017 (UTC)::I'm aware that it is still not working as it should. Editing the page also need to updates the displayed date, so the error doesn't show where up until a day later, which makes it a slow job fixing it is by trial and error. I've asked for people who come across this help on the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki & decide /Topic:Traumjses54rw4ao Mediawiki Project Support Desk]--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 08:58, 27 May 2017 (UTC):::I think it's working now. If you want an explanation...The various Time and Date functions use the time the railway might page was last rendered in to HTML. For a logged in user, that will be their current session, for a non-logged in user, it is the time the page was last modified, as shown at the bottom of every page. By linking to the internal On This Day page as if it was an external link, it seems to be worth creating the link using the real current time, even when logged out.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 22:52, 28 May 2017 (UTC)::::Another minor bug fixed. As the wiki was seeing the On This Day page as an external link, it was opening in a new tab, rather than the same tab like all other internal links. I couldn't fix it properly, so the external link is now displayed as a visitsingle full stop right at the bottom of the page, I couldn't make it completely invisible. SoJust having the link somewhere on the page forces all dates to work correctly, so now the internal link works as it should. There's another minor bug in that the wiki is set to GMT and is not adjusting for those arty people amongst usBST. I might look in to that one at some point as well. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 07:25, how about finding a suitable size 29 May 2017 (UTC):::I really think I've got it this time. What was confusing me was the random image of on the UK Main Page Test page which was causing that page to refresh every time it was viewed, whether logged in or not, which the proper Main Page wasn't doing. I've now set up the Main Page to automatically refresh every time. I thought this might slow down loading, but it doesn't seem to make any difference. What was slowing everything down was fetching nine individual images from Wikimedia Commons for the schematic map. I've now duplicated these locally, so not only does the page load a lot faster, logging in is a lot quicker as well.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 14:55, 2 June 2017 (UTC)::::Thanks for spending the time on it! It would be an idea to update the pre-1963 map page to use local icons as well; it can be usedvery hit and miss loading at times. (Not meant as a request, with happy to do it myself when time permits). ::::Probably a highlighted area showing exactly where bit late to ask this as were are closing in on 100 individual Day pages, but is there anything in them which could be better handled in a template called to each page, rather than the block of text we copy and paste each time?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:32, 2 June 2017 (UTC):::I'd already started on the Railway other maps when you replied. Consider it done. Yes, now I know how easy it isto create and call a template, then showing an enlargement that would be a better way of getting the area alongside forward and back dates. I did wonder if it might be better if the UK image with links just said "Previous" and "Next" rather than the main stations highlighted date, but that would mean going back and altering all the course of the railwayexisting ones for consistency.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 16:49, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

:I thought it had been working fine, but today it is linking to June 20 when not logged in, even though a page exists for June 25. Not sure if it is a coincidence, but the home page was last edited on June 20. Has anything changed in the back end, apart from switching Lingo back on? --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1119:3958, 13 January 2015 25 June 2017 (UTC)

On the subject of maps, I've adapted the map at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Severn_Valley_Railway_map] to only show as much of the SVR as is currently Another oddity with 'On this day in usehistory'. It works OK on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Graham_Phillips_110/sandbox my sandbox] When logged out, but not here http://www.svrwiki.com/Map.<br>I gather I need to import the template that the map is based next and previous page links on, but I can't find instructions on how to do thatAugust 4' and other days works fine.<br> When I was going to duplicate the full GWR/SVR map and create log in they stop working, replaced by a grey box with a more detailed map, showing more features as welldash in.<br>Is Not sure how long it worth perseveringhas been happening - anyone else getting the same and if so, or would it just be easier to create the maps some other wayany idea why?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1014:4237, 14 January 2015 4 August 2017 (UTC)

:::It took a bit of trial and error, but I was looking on 've finally got the internet yesterday for suitable maps Previous & saw that very same page, then thought I would do a tracing from a map Next links working. It turns out it needs spaces either side of the + & then create my own simple map from that - signs when searching for Pagename + 1 day etc. I've got no idea why it worked when logged out, but not when logged in, or why it used to work and then scan & upload stopped working, but itworks now. It was then I realised I was spending time 'm still stuck on this instead the out of doing other things!! In answer date On This Day link though. It looks like we need a bot to your questionautomatically edit the page at 00:01 every day, I don't know how to edit that template to how you want itbut creating a bot is beyond me at the moment. May be better to draw a new version? --[[User:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|SharpoGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 1109:0044, 14 January 2015 6 August 2017 (UTC)

::::Thanks - I think the main issue is that the map requires a standard set of images 'll keep manually updating if I remember and nobody else beats me to it.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] (about 3000![[User talk:Robin|talk]]) that exist on Wikipedia05:51, which you can tile together to show the layout 7 August 2017 (e.g. plain track, station, disused station, and so onUTC), as well as all the templates it pulls in. It might be possible to copy it over, but I don't know if it would be a good idea to pick and choose the bits we want, or alternatively to copy the whole lot over with a lot of redundant bits, but with the flexibility to make more in future.

: For completeness, this issue has been "solved" through the use of the Svrwikibot, per Graham's suggestion --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 1214:1507, 14 January 2015 30 October 2017 (UTC)

I was hoping As of today it would be possible 's bringing up the page for February 28th, in error --[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 15:24, 7 March 2022 (UTC):It's been broken for a while now. Danny's Wikibot seems to import the template stop working after about 6 months, and just those icons used as once itdoes then the 'on this day's link only refreshes (as far as logged out users are concerned) when there is a handy way of linking directly to stations change saved on the line directly from home page (ie usually every Monday when I update the article of the map.week link!) I was then going don't know to create a more detailed map showing all restart the bridges etc. Wikibot - it needs someone with a link access to each.Maybe I'm asking too much the back end and it would be best to stick to a normal image file bit of knowledge. Maybe Graham or Will could have a map.look at some point? --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1215:5537, 14 January 2015 7 March 2022 (UTC)

===Pages loading incorrectly when logged out===I remember years ago using some free software that allowed me 'm finding a few pages which aren't loading correctly when not logged in, for example [[GWR 80684 Ballast Wagon]]. It reports part of the content being not secure and is referring to add links from a word or words pasted into an image on my sitesomething in version 1241 which was the version before the https upgrade. Happens in both Chrome and IE. There It loads fine when logged in, so I assume it may be something similar for another caching issue. Did we have a wiki if you have time to try & search back end utility for it. This was refreshing all the sort pages and if so, could one of thing I just found after a search, but not within a wiki the admins run it? -- http[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17://www.onextrapixel.com/examples/image-map/53, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Back again: I wasn't getting a secure content warning, just but the page wasn't loading correctly for me either. I can't say I understand where these odd little issues come from! I've fixed that page manually, and I think I found an example on a wiki, there is an image where you script I can click on set to run every so often to clear the different people whole cache - did you identify any other pages, and if so, can see. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMapyou check them now? --[[User:SharpoDanny252|SharpoDanny252]] ([[User talk:SharpoDanny252|talk]]) 1516:0927, 14 January 2015 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Wow::I selected about 10 other Wagons pages at random and found these - [[BR General Goods Containers]] / [[BR 993898 'Shark' Ballast Plough Brake]] / [[GWR 125059 Covered Goods Van (body only)]]. There may be others, although I've not noticed any other than wagons pages thus far. Not a lot I can add on the diagnostices, took me except:::*IE shows a few hours to understand text only page, and it, but I have learnt how to create more than one link includes a line saying for example ''<nowiki>Retrieved from within an image within a wiki‘http://www.svrwiki.com/version1241/index. My own wiki test included 2 locos in a photo php?title=BR_General_Goods_Containers& moving oldid=8055’</nowiki>''. Clicking the cursor link takes you to either of the locos would give old page on the non-secure site. It also shows a link for that locobox at the bottom "Only secure content displayed." ::*Chrome does the same but without the pop up box. ::--[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 2122:4000, 14 January 2015 16 December 2017 (UTC)

:::Iget the same text-only page displayed as you get with IE. The fact they've been spending re still showing like that at least means that my attempted fixes so far too long on this as well, but Ididn've finally got there.<br>Click on t work! The "retrieved from" is apparently not the error itself - the town names on text is usually hidden by the [[Map | Map]] .<br>It takes a bit of trial page style, and error to get the box coordinates in fact the right place, but page isn't loading the style (or any pictures) is why that occurs. I think this is a better than 've reset some more of the standard route map as cache settings, which seems to have fixed it allows linking . I don't understand some of nearby features of interest, such as the Engine Housethis dark voodoo... --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 0118:4624, 15 January 2015 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Some good work there===Loss of session data===In the last few weeks I've noticed that from time to time the Wiki is logging me off in mid-edit. The main thing now With a normal log in, my status is changed to get a suitable map - logged out (ie the OS maps will presumably somewhat awkward, given that top right button reverts to 'Log in') and of course I can't save the page. If I have selected "Kidderminsterstay logged in" label when logging in, the top right button is nearer still showing 'Log out' but I get the message ''Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. You might have been logged out.'' Abandoning the edit and restarting it then works fine without actually needing to Bewdley Station than Kidder! log out and in again. Is there anything unusual happening at the server back end?--[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 1016:1420, 15 January 2015 9 September 2018 (UTC)

I like ===Missing Signature button===Prompted by Patrick's comments "''(can't find the map on date stamp)''" in several posts in [[Query Corner#Santa services|Query Corner]], it appears that recent versions of MediaWiki have removed the front pagesignature button that used to be shown when editing 'normal' pages; it still appears when editing Discussion pages. Would it There is a '''[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgExtraSignatureNamespaces configuration variable available here]''' which allows the button to be worth putting on each added back in specific pages. Could one of the station pages admins see if it is possible to show their positioning on add this configuration variable so the SVRbutton can be put back in Query Corner?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC):Done. --[[User:Brick60000Graham Phillips 110|Brick60000Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Brick60000Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 1610:00, 30 November 2018 (UTC)::Thanks. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:53, 16 January 2015 30 November 2018 (UTC)

==Making changes=Service Unavailable message===While I'm in the Bug reports page, I'm seeing a message from time to time as follows:

Up to now, everyone's been making changes without consulting anyone else. There haven't been any disputes yet, but should we be putting things to a vote first? Service Unavailable<br>Minor edits of text should be OK, but what about more conspicuous changes like adding the maps and logo? I just went ahead and did it The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Should we have discussed it first? I can easily undo itPlease try again later.<br>Should we have Additionally, a picture on 503 Service Unavailable error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the front page? How do we pick one?<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 08:43, 31 January 2015 (UTC)request.

If you decide to have It is usually when requesting a special page like 'recent changes' but occasionally when accessing a picture on the front normal page, keep it interesting by changing it every week. Otherwise, once this wiki nears completion (if that is ever likely to happen) people aren't likely Been happening for a couple of months now. Another one for Graham or Will to have a look at it very often. if possible? --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1315:4641, 31 January 2015 7 March 2022 (UTC)

:My 10p worth is so long as you think it is an improvement, carry on and add/edit as necessary which is the idea of a Wiki; stopping for votes just delays things. Worth adding a note in the summary if comment is required, eg if I had a better logo (which I don’t!) I would upload it and say “shall we try this instead?”.--[[== User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:32, 31 January 2015 (UTC)permissions ==

I've "protected" the front page, logo and maps to prevent any malicious edits. We haven't had much spam yet, but there was modified the possibility user permissions so that someone could alter the front page to something unwanted. If anyone wants to make a genuine edit, they new users can put it here on the Talk page create articles and one of the administrators can do ittalk pages without being marked "trustworthy".<br>I created the logo in Paint on my PC and thought I'd got a reasonably good match for the chocolate & cream. The cream looks found it a bit beige now on my chromebook. If anyone's got the correct colour codes, I'll do odd that having created a new one.<br>user, I doncouldn't know if a picture as well as the two maps would be too much though?<br>There's a random image extension for wikimedia which can be installededit my own user page...<br>One idea I had was Given that spambots are a long thin picture of a full train in profilenon-issue now, taking up the full width of the page, but only a couple of lines worth of depth. The picture could hopefully we'll be selected at random from one of each carriage setok. Worth a try?<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 09:2725, 1 February 2015 9 October 2017 (UTC)

== Image of I'm playing around with making an "svrwikibot", mainly to do the month ==front page update that Robin currently does. I've gone with the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot Pywikibot] framework, because a) I can code Python and b) it works.

A couple of thoughts on pictures, following a revisit to Festipedia.:They have a picture of the month on the front page. Would that be a reasonable frequency to adopt, especially as the mods would presumably have to change it?:They also have a lot of historical photos 'from the collection', especially on the loco pages. Does the SVR have a similar collection (Kidderminster Railway Museum?) and if so, is If anyone on speaking terms with the owner(s) who has other ideas for things we could broach get the subject of adding some here? Particularly the SVR in GWR days and SVR locos in original service (did any of our current locos definitely work on the original SVR?)bot to do, and also early days of the SVR in preservationlet me know.<br>--[[User:RobinDanny252|RobinDanny252]] ([[User talk:RobinDanny252|talk]]) 1209:5227, 2 February 2015 9 October 2017 (UTC)::IAlright, hold your breath - if it'm planning to go down to s working, the bot will now update the KRM this weekend for their signalling exhibition, and I'll have a go main page comment at mentioning this5am BST (4am GMT) daily.. I don't know whether they've got any plan to digitise their collection, but if so it would likely be a good source of images. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 1210:5701, 11 June 2015 9 October 2017 (UTC)

== Using images ::If there was a 'like' button on here, I'd press it! I'm not sure about other functions for it to carry out. Most of the bot edits I come across on Wikipedia tend to be formatting and housekeeping, things like stripping leading and trailing spaces in tables, changing links and references separated by <nowiki><br></nowiki> to bullet format and so on. Not a particular priority here in my view. One of them moves references after closing punctuation, which would cause a problem on here because of our formatting issue (see my [[User:Robin|user page]]), which I think is caused by the conflict with unknown copyright ==the terminology add-on (whose name I forget). Presumably we haven't got anywhere with resolving that one? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 14:10, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

::: The addon in question is "Lingo". Iremember hoping/expecting the software update earlier this year would fix it. However, it didn've avoided doing so until nowt, but uncredited photos keep turning up on Facebook and it seems a shame it miss out on them, so I've added two to at the [[Dowles Bridge]] page with what time I hope is did put in a suitable "Get out of jail free" disclaimerreport about the issue still being present. Even with an 1868 photoLooking back at the bug report, there's been no guarantee that the copyright has expired under the 70 year ruleresponse or fix yet. Any thoughts on the legality of this ?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 0708:2738, 30 January 2016 12 October 2017 (UTC)

: What I've not yet worked out is whether the copyright is (or at least can be) "extended" if the work is sold to someone else - if I buy a collection of old photos:::Thanks, do I get any rights, or is thought it still all linked to the original author (unless they specifically give some permission/waiver)? Equally, Iwas a short name like that. It'm s not sure if digitising a piece of work is ever able to extend copyright (e.g. if I scan an old photoshowstopper, do I get rights over the scan of somebody else's work?). If neither of those apply, then it's 70 years from ll just keep putting references inside punctuation at the production end of the work ''if the author is not known'', or 70 years after their death if it is (so for an 1868 photo, the author would have had to survive until 1946)formatted paragraphs pending developments. --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 1613:3053, 30 January 2016 12 October 2017 (UTC)

::Regarding whether you can extend copyright by digitising a piece of work, A small update to say that the Ordnance Survey relinquishes crown copyright after 50 years as per the link I posted [[Tips for contributing bot seems to the SVR Wiki#Ordnance Survey Maps / Crown Copyright | here]]. However the National Library of Scotland claims copyright over their scans of OS maps which are older than thatbe working away quite happily, hence it appears you can do so (and on the few occasions I have updated all 've checked, the OS extracts accordingly)"On this day" link has been correct.--[[User:RobinDanny252|RobinDanny252]] ([[User talk:RobinDanny252|talk]]) 1714:3204, 12 July 2016 30 October 2017 (UTC) ==Changes needed please==A section to note any amendments needed on this page for the attention of the administrators. Suggest we delete items when done to keep the list current.

::Indeed! It seems I've removed the line in might have to occasionally re-confirm the introduction that gave the current number of articles/images on the wiki. I had recently noticed the main page was taking much longer to access than any other pagelogin details, and or else that other pages would not load until the main page was loaded, implying it was somehow locking up a large number of resources. Removing the page/image counts, which were probably re-counted each time the page was opened, appears forgot how to have significantly improved the speed! I suspect this is a combination of the actual article counting process being slow for some reason, as well as the main page having to be generated from scratch each time it was viewed (in case the counts had changed) which is quite a slow process..login. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 08:47, 12 July 2016 (UTC):Does seem quicker - no great loss not having the information. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1709:3229, 12 July 2016 April 2018 (UTC)

It was realised earlier ===Railway Heritage Register links update===The Railway Heritage Register Carriage Survey and Wagon Survey have historically been hosted on vintagecarriagestrust.org, but are permanently moving to a new host on 9 April. From a quick test today , the record numbers within URLs are the same on the old and new host, therefore all that it was never made clear what license was applied is needed in the links is to content update the host address. There is a second problem in that the text within the link normally takes the form of '... on vintagecarriagestrust.org' which also needs updating (for simplicity and clarity I suggest using '... on Railway Heritage Register On-Line' for both Carriages and Wagons). It would be a great help if these changes could be done by the bot. The 'search and replace' involved is:*Step 1: replace '''cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''cs.rhrp.org.uk'''*Step 2: replace '''ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''ws.rhrp.org.uk'''*Step 3: replace '''on vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''on Railway Heritage Register On-Line'''Steps 1 and 2 should fix the Wikirelevant URLs, with and step 3 the exception link wording for at least the majority of uploaded files (where links. There are links in a license number of different areas including current and former carriages and wagons etc.Hope that is picked on uploadingpossible.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC).

== Mobile view ==:Idon've applied the t think this has cropped up before. I have just noticed that Navboxes do not appear in Mobile view. This is apparently deliberate, as detailed in [https://creativecommonsphabricator.wikimedia.org/licenses/by-sa/3T124168 this article].0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3In most cases they are probably a 'nice to have' rather than essential to navigation, but in [[The Severn Valley Railway in preservation]] they are currently the only method of navigating to other history pages.0 license], It should be possible to create the same links in a table instead of a Navbox which may be the answer in that instance. Something to bear in mind as is we create future pages, particularly as mobile devices are increasingly used on Wikipedia for browsing. Any thoughts or suggestions welcome. -- this license does not apply if [[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:03, 13 April 2018 (UTC)::Update; I duly added a table rather than a different license is specified (eNavbox which works OK in Mobile view.gWe just have to remember to update that table at the same time as updating the Template:TimelineNavbox. uploaded images--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 22:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC).

If you have any complaints:Something else I found that appears not to work in Mobile view. The [[Unsuccessful proposals for railways in the Severn Valley]] page has a statement <nowiki><div class="toclimit-2">__TOC__</div></nowiki> to limit the number of items in the table of contents. The level 3 headings should be suppressed but appear in Mobile view. Not a major issue, speak nowbut annoying!--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 22:35, or forever hold your peace31 December 2019 (UTC)::Problem solved, thanks to help from the Mediawiki Project:Suport Desk --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 22:37, 2 January 2020 (UTC):::Thanks. I see in their response that we're due a MediaWiki version update - good luck! --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 2223:3417, 19 November 2016 2 January 2020 (UTC)

:No complaints, but could you tweak the site settings to include the CC icon in the button at the foot of the page where currently is just shows 'Creative'. Found [https://creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?license_code=by-sa&amp;jurisdiction=&amp;versionFeatured article =3.0&amp;lang=en this page of instructions] which may help. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:45, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

::Like so? I'll be busy for much of the next few weeks with moving, a honeymoon, and whatever else I've forgotten - if someone else wants to have a go at doing featured articles for a few weeks, feel free! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 2110:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC):Best of luck with everything! An open invitation at any time for anyone to pick an article they would like to feature, either by adding it themselves or by letting me know and I'll add it. There is a [[:Category:Featured articles|Category page]] which lists the articles already featured. If nobody else does choose an article, I'll try to keep updating them on a weekly basis. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:0413, 24 November 2016 29 May 2018 (UTC)

== SVR photographic guide Schematic Map ==

This comes up periodically. There is no published guide of publicly available photo locations. There is an old thread at http://railways.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/page-2 with quite a lot of info and a thread around Pacific Power. I'm not a photographer but ve created a guide would be useful. It would need some thought though, so as initial suggestions what it might include:Work north to SouthLocation nameGPSOS referenceMeans copy of accessParticular restrictionsTips - better in the afternoon than morning type thingExample photo Also a does and donGraham'ts section s original schematic map changing "Eardington Halt (trespass etc.Disused) Thoughts?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] " to "Eardington" ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 10:55, 19 December 2016 (UTC):I'd erred away from doing one in the past, name as consistently used in case the SVR considered it to be encouraging people to photograph from lineside (even in legitimate viewing locationsgala publications etc) rather than paying to visit the railway. However I don't have the SVR itself gave a number of possible viewing locations for Pacific Power, so maybe not considered an issue? If we do correct font to add oneany new text, your suggestions would be a good start.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ie "([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:59, 29 December 2016 (UTCLimited use) Official response from Lewis Maddox: "Great idea, if you need any photos let me knowbut I think on balance it's better as changed." So, going back to the original post, whatThe station icon is still in 'disused's colour which suggests something different and the best way of setting it up? Does it need a table with linked page gives the headings operational status. I suggested. Is there might have a better way? This might be one where go at creating a little thought completely new file at some point with the additional text, unless Graham happens to read this and input from photographers is worthwhile..gets there first.--[[User:Patrick HearnRobin|Patrick HearnRobin]] ([[User talk:Patrick HearnRobin|talk]]) 1309:0658, 4 January 2017 21 April 2024 (UTC) :Just while thinking about it, on On the [[Current events on the Severn Valley RailwayList of stations]] page, I put a comment relating 've minor edited the schematic to SVR Live that "Information which is publicly accessible for enthusiasts includes Traffic Notices, Working Timetables, remove '(disused)''lineside photography policy and application formschange the icon colour for the station (look on the 'changes'to see what changes I made). How this might help I'm not sure, and so on." However I canas that page doesn't see photography policy on the new version, or on the SVR website eitheruse a . Any idea where they would be found these dayspng file?--[[User:RobinPatrick Hearn|RobinPatrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:50, 4 January 2017 (UTC) :In terms of setting it up, the unofficial WSR site WSR.ORG.UK has a photography section [http://www.wsr.org.uk/r-photters.htm here]. There may be some good ideas to be had from it.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:RobinPatrick Hearn|talk]]) 1622:5522, 4 January 2017 26 April 2024 (UTC)