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==SpambotsSVR Unofficial Forum and National Preservation links (March 2018, updated February 2024) ==There are many links to these sources but both have moved, viz:*All requests to access the forum via https://forum.svra.org.uk should automatically be forwarded onto https://forum.svr-online.org.uk. However, please update any Bookmarks you may have and start using the new address. EDIT: February 2024, use https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ *<nowiki>http://railway.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/</nowiki> is now https://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/Are there any tools that can be run which at least changes the root? Or any clever ideas?:Maybe the SVR Wiki Bot could hunt for those links and edit as appropriate? One for Dan?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 14:48, 4 March 2018 (UTC)::The bot probably is the simplest answer - I'd usually just run a search-and-replace on the text, but it's all squirreled away in a database, which is a little more difficult! This also happens to be the first I've heard of the change, given that the old link is inaccessible for me due to the security configuration of the old forum address being incorrect. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC):::Turns out the bot comes with a script for text replacement included - I guess it's not that surprising! It's currently working its way through the wiki. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:35, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::I've managed to get the SVRA forum ones, but the only match the bot is finding for the NatPres link given is this page. Could someone link a page where the link is used so I can see what I've got wrong? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)::::[[The Waterman Railway Heritage Trust]], reference 5 for example. It normally appears in references rather than the body text if that makes a difference. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:06, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::::Aha, there's a change at the start of the link (railways.national-preservation vs. www.national-preservation) - I'd only noticed the addition of the number after the thread name. Hence I'd been searching for "www.national-preservation[...]" and only finding the new, corrected link above. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)::::::...having actually done it, the only references to railways.national-preservation.com are on this talk page and the one you linked. I can't find any references to the SVR photo guide forum thread that aren't on this page, and all other nat-pres links I can find (by directly searching through a text dump of the whole wiki) look like they should work. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:24, 8 March 2018 (UTC):::I noticed that SVRLive links should also be HTTPS, although again they were forwarding automatically. Having decided to do a manual search, hopefully all Nat-Pres, SVR-Online forum and SVRLive links in the Wiki are now HTTPS.:February 2024: the history of the SVR forum can be accessed via the Wayback internet archive at https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ --[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 15:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
This comes up periodically. There is no published guide of publicly available photo locations. There is an old thread at http://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/page-2 with quite a lot of info and a thread around Pacific Power. I've been modifying the Captcha questions m not a photographer but a guide would be useful. It would need some thought though, so as initial suggestions what it might include:Work north to try and find what works best, and SouthLocation nameGPSOS referenceMeans of accessParticular restrictionsTips - better in the number at least seems to be reduced.afternoon than morning type thingExample photo
Thoughts?--[[User:Danny252Patrick Hearn|Danny252Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Danny252Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 1610:4155, 6 February 2015 19 December 2016 (UTC):I'd erred away from doing one in the past, in case the SVR considered it to be encouraging people to photograph from lineside (even in legitimate viewing locations) rather than paying to visit the railway. However the SVR itself gave a number of possible viewing locations for Pacific Power, so maybe not considered an issue? If we do add one, your suggestions would be a good start.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:59, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
::When I've moved all looked earlier this year, the known genuine contributors lineside photography information available on the old site seemed to a "Trustworthy" user group be horribly out of date, and removed page creation rights from all others.<br>They're still getting through though somehow, so I have just disabled the ability to write upon enquiring directly to with the API.<br>I'm not too sure what this means myselfSVR on Facebook, but the response I think it's a way to bypass got gave me the normal page creation method and, as I can't see any legitimate reason to use itimpression they were only interested in direct inquiries, and there was an option to disable rather than advertising it, that's what I've done.<br>online? --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|Graham Phillips 110Danny252]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Danny252|talk]]) 1709:0752, 3 March 2015 5 January 2017 (UTC)
:My inclination would be not to bother (to the casual SVR visitor, both are branches off the line they are on):::Looks good. The former was simply a continuation of the old SVR rather than a line in itself. The latter seems interchangeable between Wyre Forest Line, Tenbury Line and Tenbury Branch; Google favours the former but I'd ve added some directions. It would be interested good to dig out some original sources to see what the commonest usage was at the time. I don't think anyone browsing the wiki will get too confused illustrate each page with a photo taken from that location as it standswell.--[[User:RobinGraham Phillips 110|RobinGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:RobinGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 1810:3234, 6 12 February 2015 2018 (UTC)
==LogoBug reports==Would it be a good idea to have a suitable SVR image or logo ===Navbox error===I'm seeing <nowiki>{{#invoke:Navbox|navbox}}</nowiki> instead of Navboxes appearing on the main pagecarriage and loco pages. For Anyone else? Can one of the administrators have a visitor seeing the page for the first timelook please? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:08, it would give them some idea what it 16 May 2017 (UTC):It was all aboutsomething I did without realising by altering parser settings while trying to convert page names to dates and vice versa. Yes, I know it It should be obviousworking again now. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 16:48, but16 May 2017 (UTC)::Yes fixed.Belated thanks..... --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
===On this day refresh error===Another oddity. When I first access the home page without being logged in, the "On this day" link shows May 18. As soon as I log in, it refreshes correctly. Any ideas? Is it some sort of caching issue? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC):I was getting that as well. It was caused by <nowiki>{{#time:}} using "the time the page was last rendered into HTML" rather than the current time. For some reason, it would always default to May 18, even immediately after logging out after displaying the correct date while logged in. I've changed it now to read {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} and {{CURRENTDAY}} which do exactly what their names suggest.</nowiki> It seems to have solved the problem on the wiki itself, although I don't know if there may still be a caching problem for individual users. --[[User:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|SharpoGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 00:0956, 25 May 2017 (UTC)::I'm aware that it is still not working as it should. Editing the page also updates the displayed date, so the error doesn't show up until a day later, which makes it a slow job fixing it by trial and error. I've asked for help on the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Traumjses54rw4ao Mediawiki Project Support Desk]--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 08:58, 27 May 2017 (UTC):::I think it's working now. If you want an explanation...The various Time and Date functions use the time the page was last rendered in to HTML. For a logged in user, that will be their current session, for a non-logged in user, it is the time the page was last modified, as shown at the bottom of every page. By linking to the internal On This Day page as if it was an external link, it seems to be creating the link using the real current time, even when logged out.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 22:52, 28 May 2017 (UTC)::::Another minor bug fixed. As the wiki was seeing the On This Day page as an external link, it was opening in a new tab, rather than the same tab like all other internal links. I couldn't fix it properly, so the external link is now displayed as a single full stop right at the bottom of the page, I couldn't make it completely invisible. Just having the link somewhere on the page forces all dates to work correctly, so now the internal link works as it should. There's another minor bug in that the wiki is set to GMT and is not adjusting for BST. I might look in to that one at some point as well. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 07:25, 29 May 2017 (UTC):::I really think I've got it this time. What was confusing me was the random image on the Main Page Test page which was causing that page to refresh every time it was viewed, whether logged in or not, which the proper Main Page wasn't doing. I've now set up the Main Page to automatically refresh every time. I thought this might slow down loading, but it doesn't seem to make any difference. What was slowing everything down was fetching nine individual images from Wikimedia Commons for the schematic map. I've now duplicated these locally, so not only does the page load a lot faster, logging in is a lot quicker as well.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 14:55, 2 June 2017 (UTC)::::Thanks for spending the time on it! It would be an idea to update the pre-1963 map page to use local icons as well; it can be very hit and miss loading at times. (Not meant as a request, happy to do it myself when time permits). ::::Probably a bit late to ask this as were are closing in on 100 individual Day pages, but is there anything in them which could be better handled in a template called to each page, rather than the block of text we copy and paste each time?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:32, 2 June 2017 (UTC):::I'd already started on the other maps when you replied. Consider it done. Yes, now I know how easy it is to create and call a template, that would be a better way of getting the forward and back dates. I did wonder if it might be better if the links just said "Previous" and "Next" rather than the date, but that would mean going back and altering all the existing ones for consistency.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 16:49, 13 January 2015 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:I've thought it had been thinking the same (I just mentioned working fine, but today it is linking to June 20 when not logged in one of the forum threads), even though a page exists for June 25. I guess the main question Not sure if it is whether a coincidence, but the SVR would be happy with us using its logo - it's starting to sound like we'll need to get home page was last edited on June 20. Has anything changed in contact with the office at some point back end, apart from switching Lingo back on a few of these things. If they decide not? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 19:58, does someone feel suitably arty?25 June 2017 (UTC)
::Another oddity with 'On this day in history'. When logged out, the next and previous page links on 'August 4' and other days works fine. When I log in they stop working, replaced by a grey box with a dash in. Not sure how long it has been happening - anyone else getting the same and if so, any idea why? --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 0914:2337, 13 January 2015 4 August 2017 (UTC)
::::Thanks - I emailed marketing@svrlive.com on 16th January to ask permission to use the official SVR logo. I haven't heard back yet, so ll keep manually updating if I've gone remember and used it anyway. If I get a threatening letter from their solicitors, I'll change nobody else beats me to it back again. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 0705:5651, 2 February 2015 7 August 2017 (UTC)
===Pages loading incorrectly when logged out===I'm finding a few pages which aren't loading correctly when not logged in, for example [[GWR 80684 Ballast Wagon]]. It reports part of the content being not secure and is referring to something in version 1241 which was the version before the https upgrade. Happens in both Chrome and IE. It loads fine when logged in, so I assume it may be another caching issue. Did we have a back end utility for refreshing all the pages and if so, could one of the admins run it? --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1117:3953, 13 January 2015 15 December 2017 (UTC)
::I was looking selected about 10 other Wagons pages at random and found these - [[BR General Goods Containers]] / [[BR 993898 'Shark' Ballast Plough Brake]] / [[GWR 125059 Covered Goods Van (body only)]]. There may be others, although I've not noticed any other than wagons pages thus far. Not a lot I can add on the internet yesterday for suitable maps & saw that very same diagnostices, except:::*IE shows a text only page, then thought I would do and it includes a tracing line saying for example ''<nowiki>Retrieved from a map ‘http://www.svrwiki.com/version1241/index.php?title=BR_General_Goods_Containers& then create my own simple map from that oldid=8055’</nowiki>''. Clicking the link takes you to the old page on the non- then scan & upload itsecure site. It was then I realised I was spending time on this instead of doing other things!! In answer to your question, I don't know how to edit that template to how you want italso shows a box at the bottom "Only secure content displayed." ::*Chrome does the same but without the pop up box. May be better to draw a new version? ::--[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1122:00, 14 January 2015 16 December 2017 (UTC)
:::I think get the main issue same text-only page displayed as you get with IE. The fact they're still showing like that at least means that my attempted fixes so far didn't work! The "retrieved from" is that apparently not the error itself - the text is usually hidden by the page style, and the fact the page isn't loading the map requires a standard set of images style (about 3000!or any pictures) is why that exist on Wikipediaoccurs. I've reset some more of the cache settings, which you can tile together seems to show the layout (e.g. plain track, station, disused station, and so on), as well as all the templates have fixed it pulls in. It might be possible to copy it over, but I don't know if it would be a good idea to pick and choose the bits we want, or alternatively to copy the whole lot over with a lot understand some of redundant bitsthis dark voodoo... --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 18:24, but with the flexibility to make more in future. 18 December 2017 (UTC)
===Loss of session data===In the last few weeks I've noticed that from time to time the Wiki is logging me off in mid-edit. With a normal log in, my status is changed to logged out (ie the top right button reverts to 'Log in') and of course I can't save the page. If I have selected "stay logged in" when logging in, the top right button is still showing 'Log out' but I get the message ''Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. You might have been logged out.'' Abandoning the edit and restarting it then works fine without actually needing to log out and in again. Is there anything unusual happening at the server back end?--[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 1216:1520, 14 January 2015 9 September 2018 (UTC)
===Service Unavailable message===While I remember years ago using some free software that allowed me to add links 'm in the Bug reports page, I'm seeing a message from a word or words pasted into an image on my site. There may be something similar for a wiki if you have time to try & search for it. This was the sort of thing I just found after a search, but not within a wiki - httptime as follows://www.onextrapixel.com/examples/image-map/
::If you decide to have there was a picture 'like' button on here, I'd press it! I'm not sure about other functions for it to carry out. Most of the front pagebot edits I come across on Wikipedia tend to be formatting and housekeeping, things like stripping leading and trailing spaces in tables, keep it interesting changing links and references separated by changing it every week<nowiki><br></nowiki> to bullet format and so on. Not a particular priority here in my view. OtherwiseOne of them moves references after closing punctuation, once this wiki nears completion which would cause a problem on here because of our formatting issue (if that see my [[User:Robin|user page]]), which I think is ever likely to happencaused by the conflict with the terminology add-on (whose name I forget) people aren. Presumably we haven't likely to look at it very often. got anywhere with resolving that one? --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1314:4610, 31 January 2015 10 October 2017 (UTC)
:My 10p worth :: The addon in question is so long as you think "Lingo". I remember hoping/expecting the software update earlier this year would fix it. However, it is an improvementdidn't, carry on and add/edit as necessary which is at the idea of time I did put in a Wiki; stopping for votes just delays thingsreport about the issue still being present. Worth adding a note in Looking back at the summary if comment is requiredbug report, eg if I had a better logo (which I don’t!) I would upload it and say “shall we try this instead?”there's been no response or fix yet.--[[User:RobinDanny252|RobinDanny252]] ([[User talk:RobinDanny252|talk]]) 1708:3238, 31 January 2015 12 October 2017 (UTC)
::A couple of thoughts on pictures, following a revisit small update to Festipedia.:They have a picture of the month on the front page. Would say that be a reasonable frequency to adopt, especially as the mods would presumably have bot seems to change it?:They also have a lot of historical photos 'from the collection'be working away quite happily, especially on the loco pages. Does the SVR have a similar collection (Kidderminster Railway Museum?) and if so, is anyone on speaking terms with the owner(s) who could broach the subject of adding some here? Particularly the SVR in GWR days and SVR locos in original service (did any of our current locos definitely work on the original SVR?)few occasions I've checked, and also early days of the SVR in preservation"On this day" link has been correct.<br>--[[User:RobinDanny252|RobinDanny252]] ([[User talk:RobinDanny252|talk]]) 1214:5204, 2 February 2015 30 October 2017 (UTC)
:Page history suggests the bot last updated on 7 April? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 23:34, 11 April 2018 (UTC) ::Indeed! It seems I might have to occasionally re-confirm the login details, or else that it somehow forgot how to login. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 09:29, 12 April 2018 (UTC) :Message for Graham in Dan's absence. Just noticed the Bot stopped working again on 9 October 2018 so if you are not logged in, the On this day link goes to the last day the page was updated rather than the current day. It may be a coincidence but both times it seems to have stopped after 6 months. Could you have a look please? TIA. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 10:42, 1 April 2020 (UTC) ===Railway Heritage Register links update=Changes needed please==A section The Railway Heritage Register Carriage Survey and Wagon Survey have historically been hosted on vintagecarriagestrust.org, but are permanently moving to note any amendments a new host on 9 April. From a quick test today, the record numbers within URLs are the same on the old and new host, therefore all that is needed in the links is to update the host address. There is a second problem in that the text within the link normally takes the form of '... on this page vintagecarriagestrust.org' which also needs updating (for simplicity and clarity I suggest using '... on Railway Heritage Register On-Line' for both Carriages and Wagons). It would be a great help if these changes could be done by the bot. The 'search and replace' involved is:*Step 1: replace '''cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''cs.rhrp.org.uk'''*Step 2: replace '''ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''ws.rhrp.org.uk'''*Step 3: replace '''on vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''on Railway Heritage Register On-Line'''Steps 1 and 2 should fix the relevant URLs, and step 3 the link wording for at least the attention majority of links. There are links in a number of different areas including current and former carriages and wagons etc.Hope that is possible.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC) == Mobile view ==:I don't think this has cropped up before. I have just noticed that Navboxes do not appear in Mobile view. This is apparently deliberate, as detailed in [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124168 this article]. In most cases they are probably a 'nice to have' rather than essential to navigation, but in [[The Severn Valley Railway in preservation]] they are currently the administratorsonly method of navigating to other history pages. Suggest It should be possible to create the same links in a table instead of a Navbox which may be the answer in that instance. Something to bear in mind as we delete create future pages, particularly as mobile devices are increasingly used for browsing. Any thoughts or suggestions welcome. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:03, 13 April 2018 (UTC)::Update; I duly added a table rather than a Navbox which works OK in Mobile view. We just have to remember to update that table at the same time as updating the Template:TimelineNavbox.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 22:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC) :Something else I found that appears not to work in Mobile view. The [[Unsuccessful proposals for railways in the Severn Valley]] page has a statement <nowiki><div class="toclimit-2">__TOC__</div></nowiki> to limit the number of items when done in the table of contents. The level 3 headings should be suppressed but appear in Mobile view. Not a major issue, but annoying!--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 22:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC)::Problem solved, thanks to help from the Mediawiki Project:Suport Desk --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 22:37, 2 January 2020 (UTC):::Thanks. I see in their response that we're due a MediaWiki version update - good luck! --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 23:17, 2 January 2020 (UTC) == Featured article == I'll be busy for much of the next few weeks with moving, a honeymoon, and whatever else I've forgotten - if someone else wants to have a go at doing featured articles for a few weeks, feel free! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC):Best of luck with everything! An open invitation at any time for anyone to pick an article they would like to feature, either by adding it themselves or by letting me know and I'll add it. There is a [[:Category:Featured articles|Category page]] which lists the articles already featured. If nobody else does choose an article, I'll try to keep updating them on a weekly basis. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:13, 29 May 2018 (UTC) == Schematic Map == I've created a copy of Graham's original schematic map changing "Eardington Halt (Disused)" to "Eardington" (the name as consistently used in SVR gala publications etc). I don't have the correct font to add any new text, ie "(Limited use)", but I think on balance it's better as changed. The station icon is still in 'disused' colour which suggests something different and the linked page gives the operational status. I might have a go at creating a completely new file at some point with the additional text, unless Graham happens to read this and gets there first. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 09:58, 21 April 2024 (UTC):On the [[List of stations]] page I've minor edited the schematic to remove '(disused)' and change the icon colour for the station (look on the 'changes' to see what changes I made). How this might help I'm not sure, as that page doesn't use a .png file?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 22:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)::Helps greatly thanks - I hadn't realised how Graham created the original .png file until now. I've added '(Limited use)' which is in the correct font and created a new .png file from a screen grab, tweaking the list currentsize to match the original. I could use other wording such as 'Galas only' rather than 'Limited use' if preferred.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 09:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)