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Talk:BR Riddles 4MT 80079

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:::::As well as the pictures of at least six 82xxx tanks, I'd also seen pictures of at least five Ivatt Class 2s in use (41202/203/209/240/304), but not the BR 2-6-4T Class 4s (well I must have seen the one in SVR News, but not noticed it!). So Smith's information supports your original edit, give or take the word 'regularly'. Either the Class 4s were infrequently used, or they managed to dodge the photographers. A good idea on asking Michael Clemens if anyone does catch him. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 21:30, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::I asked a regular poster (Reg Storer) on one of the Facebook railway history groups about the 80xxx tanks, the chap being a local trainspotter around Oswestry and Shrewsbury in the 60s. His short answer was "I never saw an 80 on the SV Branch", with the additional comment that the Shrewsbury 4MTs were usually on Cambrian services. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 09:02, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 
:::::And now a photo has popped up of an unidentified 80xxx on the last day of service, with a Hartlebury-Shrewsbury service approaching Bridgnorth. [https://www.facebook.com/groups/2360466988/permalink/10154520148736989/ Facebook link] (though probably not accessible without an account). --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 15:17, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
::::::Probably 80102; [[Bibliography#Books|Magner (1997)]] has a photo of a northbound 80102 crossing with a southbound DMU at Bridgnorth on the same day. The load was 2 carriages plus one goods wagon - possibly the last station truck? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:35, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
I have added a section incorporating the above information and references, to which fusrther improvenents can be made.--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 23:01, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 
Please could someone amend the DJ Smith reference to tie in with it being added to the bibliography? Thanks--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 17:01, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 
:Done. Checked with David Postle today, he was aware of one or two photos of the Class 4 tanks in use on the SVR but agreed their use was very limited. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 19:58, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 
:Another look at the database shows only 82XXX tanks at Kidder but no 80XXX. I've amended the article accordingly--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 12:47, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 
A Facebook post https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1268010833267902&set=gm.10154520148736989&type=3&theater from David Giddins‎ to the 'closed' Unofficial Severn Valley Railway Facebook group shows an 80xxx BR Standard Tank on the 3.45pm Hartlebury to Shrewsbury train running into Bridgnorth on the last day of the BR Service in September 1963 (late Russell Mulford).
 
Stretton captions an image as being 80079 emerging from Bridgnorth tunnel on 30 August 1962 on an empty 7.27p.m. Bridgnorth to Shrewsbury; possibly a Mensing image.<ref>[[Bibliography#Books|Stretton (2010)]] p. 90</ref> BR Database has the loco at Croes Newydd from 15 July 1962. If so, that would be a real rarity, an SVR based loco that ran on the line in service. I can't make out a number. Is there any corroboration?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 16:14, 21 July 2021 (UTC)--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 16:14, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 
:Noting definite turned up in a quick scan of the other likely sources. [[Bibliography#Books|Tom Ferris (1995)]] in his book on the commercial history of the SVR fleet said he hadn't found a photo of 80079 on the branch but thought it possible that it could have got there from Croes Newydd. Certainly some locos did, as in the notes above. The particular service John Stretton refers to only ran from Shrewsbury to Bridgnorth and back in the late afternoon / evening – you can easily imagine a loco working its regular service from Croes Newydd up to Shrewsbury and the Operations manager going "We're short of a loco – just run down to Bridgnorth and back while you're here..." --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 19:17, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
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