==SpambotsSVR Unofficial Forum and National Preservation links (March 2018, updated February 2024) ==There are many links to these sources but both have moved, viz:*All requests to access the forum via https://forum.svra.org.uk should automatically be forwarded onto https://forum.svr-online.org.uk. However, please update any Bookmarks you may have and start using the new address. EDIT: February 2024, use https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ *<nowiki>http://railway.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/</nowiki> is now https://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/Are there any tools that can be run which at least changes the root? Or any clever ideas?:Maybe the SVR Wiki Bot could hunt for those links and edit as appropriate? One for Dan?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 14:48, 4 March 2018 (UTC)::The bot probably is the simplest answer - I'd usually just run a search-and-replace on the text, but it's all squirreled away in a database, which is a little more difficult! This also happens to be the first I've heard of the change, given that the old link is inaccessible for me due to the security configuration of the old forum address being incorrect. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC):::Turns out the bot comes with a script for text replacement included - I guess it's not that surprising! It's currently working its way through the wiki. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:35, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::I've managed to get the SVRA forum ones, but the only match the bot is finding for the NatPres link given is this page. Could someone link a page where the link is used so I can see what I've got wrong? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 19:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)::::[[The Waterman Railway Heritage Trust]], reference 5 for example. It normally appears in references rather than the body text if that makes a difference. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:06, 7 March 2018 (UTC):::::Aha, there's a change at the start of the link (railways.national-preservation vs. www.national-preservation) - I'd only noticed the addition of the number after the thread name. Hence I'd been searching for "www.national-preservation[...]" and only finding the new, corrected link above. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)::::::...having actually done it, the only references to railways.national-preservation.com are on this talk page and the one you linked. I can't find any references to the SVR photo guide forum thread that aren't on this page, and all other nat-pres links I can find (by directly searching through a text dump of the whole wiki) look like they should work. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 12:24, 8 March 2018 (UTC):::I noticed that SVRLive links should also be HTTPS, although again they were forwarding automatically. Having decided to do a manual search, hopefully all Nat-Pres, SVR-Online forum and SVRLive links in the Wiki are now HTTPS.:February 2024: the history of the SVR forum can be accessed via the Wayback internet archive at https://web.archive.org/web/20230524021410/https://forum.svr-online.org.uk/ --[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 15:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Some of you have noticed the nuisance spambots floating about - they don't seem to be anything but a nuisance right now, but they do rather clog up the recent edits list...== SVR photographic guide ==
This comes up periodically. There is no published guide of publicly available photo locations. There is an old thread at http://www.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/page-2 with quite a lot of info and a thread around Pacific Power. I've been modifying the Captcha questions m not a photographer but a guide would be useful. It would need some thought though, so as initial suggestions what it might include:Work north to try and find what works best, and SouthLocation nameGPSOS referenceMeans of accessParticular restrictionsTips - better in the number at least seems to be reduced.afternoon than morning type thingExample photo
As an additional measure, IAlso a does and don've also enabled blacklisting of known spam sources, as per [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam#DNSBL this ts section], and have turned on the requirement for email addresses to be verified (I noted that none of the bots had emails registeredtrespass etc.). I note there's a couple of people who haven't got confirmed email addresses, but most people should be fine - if you need to confirm your address, you can find the option under "Preferences" in the top right corner, then by scrolling down to almost the bottom of the page of options.
Thoughts?--[[User:Danny252Patrick Hearn|Danny252Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Danny252Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 1610:4155, 6 February 2015 19 December 2016 (UTC):I'd erred away from doing one in the past, in case the SVR considered it to be encouraging people to photograph from lineside (even in legitimate viewing locations) rather than paying to visit the railway. However the SVR itself gave a number of possible viewing locations for Pacific Power, so maybe not considered an issue? If we do add one, your suggestions would be a good start.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:59, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
I've enabled [httpOfficial response from Lewis Maddox://www"Great idea, if you need any photos let me know.mediawiki" So, going back to the original post, what's the best way of setting it up? Does it need a table with the headings I suggested.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist Is there a better way? This might be one where a similar blacklist] as welllittle thought and input from photographers is worthwhile...--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 2213:3206, 6 February 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)
We changed the Capcha question to a dynamic one which should have been harder for spambots to crack.<br>It wasn't working as well as hoped, so I have now reworded the question to see if that's any better.<br>I believe :Just while thinking about it's possible to create different user groups with different posting rights, so we could, for example move all the proven genuine contributors to a "trusted" group so that they don't have on the inconvenience of having to solve a little puzzle every time they want to make an edit. I'll look in to that later.<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110Current events on the Severn Valley Railway]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10:13page, 2 March 2015 (UTC) Within an hour of making the above changes, we had I put a load more spam.<br>It seems comment relating to follow a set pattern of creating a new account and then a User Page, so I have disabled the ability SVR Live that "Information which is publicly accessible for the default user groupenthusiasts includes Traffic Notices, "User"Working Timetables, to create pages and manually added all the genuine contributors to a new User Group "Trustworthy".<br>If I have missed you out, or if you have any other problems, you should still be able to edit this page, so either reply here, email me, or post on the forum or Facebook page '''lineside photography policy and Iapplication forms'll sort it out.<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 12:51, 2 March 2015 (UTC) I've moved all the known genuine contributors to a "Trustworthy" user group and removed page creation rights from all others.<br>They're still getting through though somehow, and so I have just disabled the ability to write directly to the APIon.<br>I'm not too sure what this means myself, but I think it's a way to bypass the normal page creation method and, as " However I can't see any legitimate reason to use itphotography policy on the new version, and there was an option to disable it, that's what I've doneor on the SVR website either.<br> Any idea where they would be found these days?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1716:0750, 3 March 2015 4 January 2017 (UTC)
: :When I suspect that that is how they were getting through without page creation rights - basically it means sending looked earlier this year, the lineside photography information available on the command old site seemed to create a page be horribly out of date, and upon enquiring directly without loading up with the SVR on Facebook, the response I got gave me the "Creating page..." form first.impression they were only interested in direct inquiries, rather than advertising it online? --[[User:WillSaltDanny252|WillSaltDanny252]] ([[User talk:WillSaltDanny252|talk]]) 2209:1752, 3 March 2015 5 January 2017 (UTC)
I note that the bots seem to be registering:In terms of setting it up, but not actually making any edits currently - am I right to think that? The last time that I can see a spam page *created* is the 27th of Febunofficial WSR site WSR.ORG. I've also fiddled with the settings UK has a bit more, and it definitely should photography section [http://www.wsr.org.uk/r-photters.htm here]. There may be only allowing users with confirmed emails some good ideas to edit/create/whatever now be had from it.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] (plus the Trustworthy group[[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:55, of course4 January 2017 (UTC).
::Thank you. A job for when I have some time :)--[[User:Danny252Patrick Hearn|Danny252Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Danny252Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 1012:0228, 4 March 2015 18 January 2017 (UTC)
The pattern has changed slightly. The spammers no longer create their own user page, they create :::As a separate page complete with spam title.<br>low grade entry point I've asked for advice on have added to the [[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk#x.24wgGroupPermissions_not_preventing_spammers_creating_new_pages_54546 the Mediawiki support deskBewdley International Airport|Bewdley Airport]] and got page some interest, but not a solution yet.<br>It looks like my next step is basic details with an idea to work out how to access the access log. I had add a quick look earlier, but it's not as simple as I hoped. I'll put a bit more time in to it later[[From The Window]] type guide page when locations are populated.<br>What do people think?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 10:4355, 4 March 2015 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Seems the bots may be smart enough to confirm emails as well, so ::::Looks good. I've removed that change I did, so it should added some directions. It would be back to how it is. Regarding the comment on the helpdesk query about alternate access good to the database, I've made sure illustrate each page with a photo taken from that the old versions of wikis we had installed are now unable to be used at all. They shouldn't have been at all accessible, but now they won't work even if they arelocation as well. --[[User:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|Danny252Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 1110:4934, 4 March 2015 12 February 2018 (UTC)
Would it be an idea ==Locomotives hired to remove or visiting other railways==We have sections for locos coming in, are there equivalents for SVR-resident locos going the mediawiki files that arenother way? I can't being used from find any. TIA--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 12:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC): Off the server? There seems to top of my head, no section exists yet. The exception would be 3 installations of for [[The Severn Valley Railway on the wikimain line|main line excursions]], 2 of which are from listed on the early linked locomotive pages, but not many of those happen these days and ! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 13:09, 18 January 2017 (UTC)::Some individual loco pages also mention longer term hires to other railways, but you're right in that there is no longer neededequivalent section for gala appearances elsewhere. No reason we couldn't have such a page, but it would be a major exercise to backfill the history.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:50, 18 January 2017 (UTC):::Thanks both. Do you think we should we start one with 2017 galas out as an incomplete page, and allow people to backfill?Or let it ride?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 02:43, 19 January 2017 (UTC) ::::If you're eager, go ahead - and it just look how the [http://www.svrwiki.com/version1241/index.php?title=Steam_Locomotives_visiting_the_SVR_for_galas&oldid=1151 gala visitors] page started! I have to admit I don't really know where to find historical information; the SVR News sometimes mentions locos going off on hire, but I don't know if this is still possible comprehensive? Then again, I'm sure Robin will find all the information about 7714's visit to view those pages if you know the url Little Piddling and Nowhere Railway's 1976 gala... --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:44, 19 January 2017 (UTC):::::It must have been there as a static exhibit - according to usethe SVR Wiki it wasn't steamed until 1992. --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1413:0010, 4 March 2015 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Just found ==Bug reports=====Navbox error===I'm seeing <nowiki>{{#invoke:Navbox|navbox}}</nowiki> instead of Navboxes appearing on the carriage and loco pages. Anyone else? Can one of the administrators have a way look please? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC):It was something I did without realising by altering parser settings while trying to access logs, could convert page names to dates and vice versa. It should be useful info working again now. -- once I understand it more!! [[User:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|SharpoGraham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:SharpoGraham Phillips 110|talk]]) 1716:48, 16May 2017 (UTC)::Yes fixed. Belated thanks.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:18, 4 March 2015 24 May 2017 (UTC)
===On this day refresh error===Another thing oddity. When I first access the home page without being logged in, the "On this day" link shows May 18. As soon as I log in, it refreshes correctly. Any ideas? Is it some sort of caching issue? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC):I was getting that as well. It was caused by <nowiki>{{#time:}} using "the time the page was last rendered into HTML" rather than the current time. For some reason, it would always default to May 18, even immediately after logging out after displaying the correct date while logged in. I did earlier today 've changed it now to read {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} and {{CURRENTDAY}} which do exactly what their names suggest.</nowiki> It seems to have solved the problem on the wiki itself, although I don't know if there may still be a caching problem for individual users. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 00:56, 25 May 2017 (UTC)::I'm aware that it is still not working as it should. Editing the page also updates the displayed date, so the error doesn't show up until a day later, which makes it a slow job fixing it by trial and error. I've asked for help on the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Traumjses54rw4ao Mediawiki Project Support Desk]--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 08:58, 27 May 2017 (UTC):::I think it's working now. If you want an explanation...The various Time and Date functions use the time the page was last rendered in to HTML. For a logged in user, that will be their current session, for a non-logged in user, it is the time the page was last modified, as shown at the bottom of every page. By linking to the internal On This Day page as if it was an external link, it seems to update some be creating the link using the real current time, even when logged out.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 22:52, 28 May 2017 (UTC)::::Another minor bug fixed. As the wiki was seeing the On This Day page as an external link, it was opening in a new tab, rather than the same tab like all other internal links. I couldn't fix it properly, so the external link is now displayed as a single full stop right at the bottom of the spam blacklists wepage, I couldn't make it completely invisible. Just having the link somewhere on the page forces all dates to work correctly, so now the internal link works as it should. There's another minor bug in that the wiki is set to GMT and is not adjusting for BST. I might look in to that one at some point as well. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 07:25, 29 May 2017 (UTC):::I really think I've got setupit this time. In some discussion with Sharpo over What was confusing me was the random image on the Main Page Test page which was causing that page to refresh every time it was viewed, whether logged in or not, which the access logs just proper Main Page wasn't doing. I've nowset up the Main Page to automatically refresh every time. I thought this might slow down loading, but it doesn't seem to make any difference. What was slowing everything down was fetching nine individual images from Wikimedia Commons for the schematic map. I 've now duplicated these locally, so not only does the page load a lot faster, logging in is a lot quicker as well.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 14:55, 2 June 2017 (UTC)::::Thanks for spending the time on it! It would be an idea to update the pre-1963 map page to use local icons as well; it can see be very hit and miss loading at times. (Not meant as a request, happy to do it myself when time permits). ::::Probably a bit late to ask this as were are closing in on 100 individual Day pages, but is there anything in them which could be better handled in a template called to each page, rather than the block of text we copy and paste each time?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:32, 2 June 2017 (UTC):::I'd already started on the other maps when you replied. Consider it done. Yes, now I know how easy it is to create and call a template, that would be a number better way of getting the IP addresses weren't being caught beforeforward and back dates. I did wonder if it might be better if the links just said "Previous" and "Next" rather than the date, but should be with that would mean going back and altering all the new settingsexisting ones for consistency. --[[User:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|Danny252Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 2116:5549, 4 March 2015 2 June 2017 (UTC)
As a further update:I thought it had been working fine, Sharpo has been keeping an eye on the access logbut today it is linking to June 20 when not logged in, and has noted that a number of bots were using a security hole which we patched up yesterday (even though a page which shouldn't have been accessible was)exists for June 25. They still seem to be trying quite hard to use Not sure if itis a coincidence, but no spam has appeared todaythe home page was last edited on June 20. Has anything changed in the back end, apart from switching Lingo back on? --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 1819:4858, 5 March 2015 25 June 2017 (UTC)
I meant to say::Another oddity with 'On this day in history'. When logged out, if you need help interpreting the logs then feel free to asknext and previous page links on 'August 4' and other days works fine. When I log in they stop working, seeing as replaced by a grey box with a dash in. Not sure how long it's has been happening - anyone else getting the sort of thing I'm supposed to know about profesionally! same and if so, any idea why? --[[User:WillSaltRobin|WillSaltRobin]] ([[User talk:WillSaltRobin|talk]]) 2014:0537, 5 March 2015 4 August 2017 (UTC)
:::It took a bit of trial and error, but I've manually removed a lot finally got the Previous & Next links working. It turns out it needs spaces either side of the spam accounts+ & - signs when searching for Pagename + 1 day etc. I've got no idea why it worked when logged out, which whilst blocked but not when logged in, or why it used to work and unable to be usedthen stopped working, were but it works now. I'm still in existence and cluttering up various pages (e.g. stuck on the user list, which has gone from 300 to 30)out of date On This Day link though. This means that their "contributions" will likely have reverted It looks like we need a bot to show just their IP addresses - don't worryautomatically edit the page at 00:01 every day, this doesn't mean that unregistered users have been editing but creating a bot is beyond me at the site! moment.--[[User:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|Danny252Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Danny252Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 09:2844, 6 March 2015 August 2017 (UTC)
Interesting 'feature::::Thanks - I' is that the Recent Changes now shows your own IP address as the source of the former spam accounts! Gave ll keep manually updating if I remember and nobody else beats me a minor heart attack at first! to it.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1405:2951, 6 March 2015 7 August 2017 (UTC)
After my last comment on this page, [[User:Danny252|Danny252]] and [[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham]]gave me FTP and CPanel access to the siteFor completeness, and I had a bit of a chat with Danny about what I found and what I thought could do with tidying up (hang on whilst I pop my Sensible Professional IT Consultant hat on...). The end result is: I have just finished doing a big cleanup and deleted just about everything that wasn't needed to run the current install of MediaWiki (I did leave a huge debug log that was hanging about in case anybody wanted it). I '''did''' take a backup before I did it, so if you're worried that anything has gone missing, don't be. Please let me know if anything now appears to be weirdly broken, but it shouldn't be. The point of the cleanup is: although everyone else this issue has already done sterling work at disabling the configuration of the old installs, making sure that they're not linked anywhere, and so on, getting rid of extraneous stuff altogether is the best way of reducing the been "attack surfacesolved" - through the number use of places people could get inthe Svrwikibot, possibly using hacks weper Graham're not ourselves aware of. s suggestion --[[User:WillSaltDanny252|WillSaltDanny252]] ([[User talk:WillSaltDanny252|talk]]) 2214:2807, 8 March 2015 30 October 2017 (UTC)
==Stourport As of today it's bringing up the page for February 28th, in error --[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 15:24, 7 March 2022 (UTC):It's been broken for a while now. Danny's Wikibot seems to stop working after about 6 months, and Tenbury branches==once it does then the 'on this day' link only refreshes (as far as logged out users are concerned) when there is a change saved on the home page (ie usually every Monday when I update the article of the week link!) I don't know to restart the Wikibot - it needs someone with access to the back end and a bit of knowledge. Maybe Graham or Will could have a look at some point? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:37, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
Would it be more correct ===Pages loading incorrectly when logged out===I'm finding a few pages which aren't loading correctly when not logged in, for example [[GWR 80684 Ballast Wagon]]. It reports part of the content being not secure and is referring to refer to these as something in version 1241 which was the version before the Stourport Line https upgrade. Happens in both Chrome and Wyre Forest Line on IE. It loads fine when logged in, so I assume it may be another caching issue. Did we have a back end utility for refreshing all the map pages and alter if so, could one of the linksadmins run it? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:53, page titles and redirects to suit?15 December 2017 (UTC)
:My inclination would be not to bother (to the casual SVR visitor, both are branches off the line they are on). The former was simply I wasn't getting a continuation of the old SVR rather than a line in itself. The latter seems interchangeable between Wyre Forest Linesecure content warning, Tenbury Line and Tenbury Branch; Google favours but the former but Ipage wasn'd be interested to dig out some original sources to see what the commonest usage was at the timet loading correctly for me either. I doncan't say I understand where these odd little issues come from! I've fixed that page manually, and I think anyone browsing I found a script I can set to run every so often to clear the wiki will get too confused as it stands.whole cache - did you identify any other pages, and if so, can you check them now? --[[User:RobinDanny252|RobinDanny252]] ([[User talk:RobinDanny252|talk]]) 1816:3227, 6 February 2015 16 December 2017 (UTC)
OK::I selected about 10 other Wagons pages at random and found these - [[BR General Goods Containers]] / [[BR 993898 'Shark' Ballast Plough Brake]] / [[GWR 125059 Covered Goods Van (body only)]]. There may be others, although I've changed the link not noticed any other than wagons pages thus far. Not a lot I can add on the map to point to Wyre Forest Linediagnostices, except:::*IE shows a text only page, while keeping "Tenbury Branch" on the map itselfand it includes a line saying for example ''<nowiki>Retrieved from ‘http://www.svrwiki.com/version1241/index.php?title=BR_General_Goods_Containers&oldid=8055’</nowiki>''. As Clicking the Wyre Forest Line article says, most Kidderminster link takes you to Bewdley trains continued towards Tenbury, so if anything, the Bridgnorth line was old page on the branchnon-secure site. However, going by It also shows a box at the fact that bottom "Only secure content displayed." ::*Chrome does the disused line branches away at 90 degrees from same but without the currently used linepop up box. ::--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 22:00, it seems more intuitive to refer to it as the branch in a modern context.16 December 2017 (UTC)
==Logo==Would it be a good idea to have a suitable SVR image or logo on :::I get the main same text-only pagedisplayed as you get with IE. For a visitor seeing The fact they're still showing like that at least means that my attempted fixes so far didn't work! The "retrieved from" is apparently not the error itself - the text is usually hidden by the page style, and the fact the page for isn't loading the style (or any pictures) is why that occurs. I've reset some more of the first timecache settings, which seems to have fixed it would give them some idea what it was all about. Yes, I know it should be obvious, butdon't understand some of this dark voodoo...... --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 18:24, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
===Loss of session data===In the last few weeks I've noticed that from time to time the Wiki is logging me off in mid-edit. With a normal log in, my status is changed to logged out (ie the top right button reverts to 'Log in') and of course I can't save the page. If I have selected "stay logged in" when logging in, the top right button is still showing 'Log out' but I get the message ''Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. You might have been logged out.'' Abandoning the edit and restarting it then works fine without actually needing to log out and in again. Is there anything unusual happening at the server back end?--[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 0016:0920, 13 January 2015 9 September 2018 (UTC)
I===Missing Signature button===Prompted by Patrick've been thinking s comments "''(can't find the same (I just mentioned date stamp)''" in several posts in [[Query Corner#Santa services|Query Corner]], it in one appears that recent versions of MediaWiki have removed the forum threads)signature button that used to be shown when editing 'normal' pages; it still appears when editing Discussion pages. I guess the main question There is whether a '''[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgExtraSignatureNamespaces configuration variable available here]''' which allows the SVR would button to be happy with us using its logo - added back in specific pages. Could one of the admins see if it's starting is possible to sound like we'll need to get add this configuration variable so the button can be put back in contact with the office at some point on a few of these thingsQuery Corner? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC):Done. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10:00, 30 November 2018 (UTC)::Thanks. If they decide not--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:53, does someone feel suitably arty?30 November 2018 (UTC)
--[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 09===Service Unavailable message===While I'm in the Bug reports page, I'm seeing a message from time to time as follows:23, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps in the meanwhile we should've adopted the SVR Online logo. Also; starting Service Unavailable<br> The server is temporarily unable to add headings here service your request due to separate topicsmaintenance downtime or capacity problems. I hope you're all OK with thisPlease try again later. [[User:Boldford|Boldford]] ([[User talk:Boldford|talk]]) 09:39<br> Additionally, 1 February 2015 (UTC)a 503 Service Unavailable error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
I emailed marketing@svrlive.com on 16th January to ask permission to use the official SVR logo. I havenIt is usually when requesting a special page like 't heard back yet, so Irecent changes've gone and used it anywaybut occasionally when accessing a normal page. If I get Been happening for a threatening letter from their solicitors, I'll change it back againcouple of months now. Another one for Graham or Will to have a look at if possible? --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 0715:5641, 2 February 2015 7 March 2022 (UTC)
That logo looks much better! [[== User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 08:05, 2 February 2015 (UTC)permissions ==
==Location==WeI'll probably spend a lot of time providing info about ve modified the SVR, but we also need to show where user permissions so that new users can create articles and talk pages without being marked "trustworthy". I found it is for people who come across this wiki & decide the railway might be worth a visitbit odd that having created a new user, I couldn't edit my own user page. So, for those arty people amongst us, how about finding a suitable size image of the UK .. Given that can be used, with spambots are a highlighted area showing exactly where the Railway isnon-issue now, then showing an enlargement of the area alongside the UK image with the main stations highlighted and the course of the railwayhopefully we'll be ok.--[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 09:25, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
[[User:Sharpo|Sharpo]] ([[User talk:Sharpo|talk]]) 11:39, 13 January 2015 (UTC)== Wiki bot ==
On the subject of maps, I've adapted the map at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Severn_Valley_Railway_map] m playing around with making an "svrwikibot", mainly to only show as much of do the SVR as is front page update that Robin currently in usedoes. It works OK on I've gone with the [https://enwww.wikipediamediawiki.org/wiki/UserManual:Graham_Phillips_110/sandbox my sandboxPywikibot Pywikibot]framework, but not here http://www.svrwiki.com/Map.<br>I gather I need to import the template that the map is based on, but because a) I can't find instructions on how to do that.<br>I was going to duplicate the full GWR/SVR map code Python and create a more detailed map, showing more features as wellb) it works.<br>Is it worth persevering, or would it just be easier to create the maps some other way?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 10:42, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
I was looking on the internet yesterday If anyone has other ideas for suitable maps & saw that very same page, then thought I would do a tracing from a map & then create my own simple map from that - then scan & upload it. It was then I realised I was spending time on this instead of doing other things!! In answer we could get the bot to your questiondo, I don't let me know how to edit that template to how you want . --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 09:27, 9 October 2017 (UTC): Alright, hold your breath - if it's working, the bot will now update the main page comment at 5am BST (4am GMT) daily.. May be better to draw a new version? . --[[User:SharpoDanny252|SharpoDanny252]] ([[User talk:SharpoDanny252|talk]]) 1110:0001, 14 January 2015 9 October 2017 (UTC)
::If there was a 'like' button on here, I'd press it! I think 'm not sure about other functions for it to carry out. Most of the main issue is that the map requires a standard set of images (about 3000!) that exist bot edits I come across on Wikipedia, which you can tile together tend to show the layout (e.g. plain trackbe formatting and housekeeping, station, disused stationthings like stripping leading and trailing spaces in tables, changing links and references separated by <nowiki><br></nowiki> to bullet format and so on), as well as all the templates it pulls . Not a particular priority here inmy view. It might be possible to copy it overOne of them moves references after closing punctuation, but I don't know if it which would be cause a good idea to pick and choose the bits we wantproblem on here because of our formatting issue (see my [[User:Robin|user page]]), or alternatively to copy which I think is caused by the whole lot over with a lot of redundant bits, but conflict with the flexibility to make more in futureterminology add-on (whose name I forget). Presumably we haven't got anywhere with resolving that one? --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 14:10, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
::: The addon in question is "Lingo". I remember hoping/expecting the software update earlier this year would fix it. However, it didn't, and at the time I did put in a report about the issue still being present. Looking back at the bug report, there's been no response or fix yet. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 1208:1538, 14 January 2015 12 October 2017 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I was hoping thought it would be possible to import the template and just those icons used as it's a handy way of linking directly to stations on the line directly from the map.I was then going to create a more detailed map showing all the bridges etcshort name like that. with It's not a link to each.Maybe showstopper, I'm asking too much and it would be best to stick to a normal image file ll just keep putting references inside punctuation at the end of a mapformatted paragraphs pending developments.--[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 1213:5553, 14 January 2015 12 October 2017 (UTC)
I remember years ago using some free software ::A small update to say that allowed me the bot seems to add links from a word or words pasted into an image be working away quite happily, and on my site. There may be something similar for a wiki if you have time to try & search for it. This was the sort of thing few occasions I just found after a search've checked, but not within a wiki the "On this day" link has been correct. - http-[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 14://www.onextrapixel.com/examples/image-map/04, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
Back again, just found an example on a wiki, there is an image where you can click :Page history suggests the bot last updated on the different people you can see. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap7 April? --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 1523:0934, 14 January 2015 11 April 2018 (UTC)
Wow, took me a few hours to understand it, but ::Indeed! It seems I might have learnt how to create more than one link from within an image within a wiki. My own wiki test included 2 locos in a photo & moving occasionally re-confirm the cursor login details, or else that it somehow forgot how to either of the locos would give a link for that locologin. --[[User:SharpoDanny252|SharpoDanny252]] ([[User talk:SharpoDanny252|talk]]) 2109:4029, 14 January 2015 12 April 2018 (UTC)
I've been spending far too long on this as well, but I:Message for Graham in Dan've finally got theres absence.<br>Click on Just noticed the town names Bot stopped working again on 9 October 2018 so if you are not logged in, the [[Map | Map]] .<br>It takes a bit of trial and error On this day link goes to get the box coordinates in last day the right place, but I think this is a better page was updated rather than the standard route map as current day. It may be a coincidence but both times it allows linking of nearby features of interest, such as the Engine Houseseems to have stopped after 6 months. Could you have a look please? TIA. --[[User:Graham Phillips 110Robin|Graham Phillips 110Robin]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110Robin|talk]]) 0110:4642, 15 January 2015 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Some good work there===Railway Heritage Register links update===The Railway Heritage Register Carriage Survey and Wagon Survey have historically been hosted on vintagecarriagestrust.org, but are permanently moving to a new host on 9 April. The main thing now From a quick test today, the record numbers within URLs are the same on the old and new host, therefore all that is needed in the links is to get update the host address. There is a suitable map second problem in that the text within the link normally takes the form of '... on vintagecarriagestrust.org' which also needs updating (for simplicity and clarity I suggest using '... on Railway Heritage Register On- Line' for both Carriages and Wagons). It would be a great help if these changes could be done by the bot. The 'search and replace' involved is:*Step 1: replace '''cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''cs.rhrp.org.uk'''*Step 2: replace '''ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''ws.rhrp.org.uk'''*Step 3: replace '''on vintagecarriagestrust.org''' by '''on Railway Heritage Register On-Line'''Steps 1 and 2 should fix the OS maps will presumably somewhat awkwardrelevant URLs, given and step 3 the link wording for at least the majority of links. There are links in a number of different areas including current and former carriages and wagons etc.Hope that the "Kidderminster" label is nearer to Bewdley Station than Kidder! possible.--[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 1017:1423, 15 January 2015 27 February 2019 (UTC)
== Mobile view ==:I like don't think this has cropped up before. I have just noticed that Navboxes do not appear in Mobile view. This is apparently deliberate, as detailed in [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124168 this article]. In most cases they are probably a 'nice to have' rather than essential to navigation, but in [[The Severn Valley Railway in preservation]] they are currently the map on the front pageonly method of navigating to other history pages. Would it It should be worth putting on each possible to create the same links in a table instead of a Navbox which may be the station answer in that instance. Something to bear in mind as we create future pages , particularly as mobile devices are increasingly used for browsing. Any thoughts or suggestions welcome. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:03, 13 April 2018 (UTC)::Update; I duly added a table rather than a Navbox which works OK in Mobile view. We just have to remember to show their positioning on update that table at the same time as updating the SVR?Template:TimelineNavbox.--[[User:Brick60000Robin|Brick60000Robin]] ([[User talk:Brick60000Robin|talk]]) 1622:1735, 16 January 2015 31 December 2019 (UTC)
:Something else I found that appears not to work in Mobile view. The [[Unsuccessful proposals for railways in the Severn Valley]] page has a statement <nowiki><div class==Making changes=="toclimit-2">__TOC__</div></nowiki> to limit the number of items in the table of contents. The level 3 headings should be suppressed but appear in Mobile view. Not a major issue, but annoying!--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 22:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC)::Problem solved, thanks to help from the Mediawiki Project:Suport Desk --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 22:37, 2 January 2020 (UTC):::Thanks. I see in their response that we're due a MediaWiki version update - good luck! --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 23:17, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Up to now, everyone's been making changes without consulting anyone else. There haven't been any disputes yet, but should we be putting things to a vote first?<br>Minor edits of text should be OK, but what about more conspicuous changes like adding the maps and logo? I just went ahead and did it. Should we have discussed it first? I can easily undo it.<br>Should we have a picture on the front page? How do we pick one?<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 08:43, 31 January 2015 (UTC)== Featured article ==
If you decide I'll be busy for much of the next few weeks with moving, a honeymoon, and whatever else I've forgotten - if someone else wants to have a picture on the front pagego at doing featured articles for a few weeks, feel free! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 10:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC):Best of luck with everything! An open invitation at any time for anyone to pick an article they would like to feature, keep either by adding it interesting themselves or by changing letting me know and I'll add it every week. OtherwiseThere is a [[:Category:Featured articles|Category page]] which lists the articles already featured. If nobody else does choose an article, once this wiki nears completion (if that is ever likely to happen) people arenI't likely ll try to look at it very oftenkeep updating them on a weekly basis. --[[User:SharpoRobin|SharpoRobin]] ([[User talk:SharpoRobin|talk]]) 15:13:46, 31 January 2015 29 May 2018 (UTC)
:My 10p worth is so long as you think it is an improvement, carry on and add/edit as necessary which is the idea of a Wiki; stopping for votes just delays things. Worth adding a note in the summary if comment is required, eg if I had a better logo (which I don’t!) I would upload it and say “shall we try this instead?”.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:32, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
I've "protected" the front page, logo and maps to prevent any malicious edits. We haven't had much spam yet, but there was the possibility that someone could alter the front page to something unwanted. If anyone wants to make a genuine edit, they can put it here on the Talk page and one of the administrators can do it.<br>I created the logo in Paint on my PC and thought I'd got a reasonably good match for the chocolate & cream. The cream looks a bit beige now on my chromebook. If anyone's got the correct colour codes, I'll do a new one.<br>I don't know if a picture as well as the two maps would be too much though?<br>There's a random image extension for wikimedia which can be installed.<br>One idea I had was a long thin picture of a full train in profile, taking up the full width of the page, but only a couple of lines worth of depth. The picture could be selected at random from one of each carriage set. Worth a try?<br>--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 09:27, 1 February 2015 (UTC)== Schematic Map ==
I decided to tweak the wording a bit - please revert it if you don't like it! --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:14, 16 December 2016 (UTC) == Image of the month == A couple of thoughts on pictures, following a revisit to Festipedia.:They have ve created a picture copy of the month on the front page. Would that be a reasonable frequency to adopt, especially as the mods would presumably have to change it?:They also have a lot of historical photos Graham'from the collection', especially on the loco pages. Does the SVR have a similar collection s original schematic map changing "Eardington Halt (Kidderminster Railway Museum?Disused) and if so, is anyone on speaking terms with the owner" to "Eardington" (s) who could broach the subject of adding some here? Particularly the SVR name as consistently used in GWR days and SVR locos in original service (did any of our current locos definitely work on the original SVR?gala publications etc), and also early days of the SVR in preservation.<br>--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 12:52, 2 February 2015 (UTC)::I'm planning to go down to the KRM this weekend for their signalling exhibition, and I'll have a go at mentioning this. I don't know whether they've got have the correct font to add any plan to digitise their collectionnew text, but if so it would likely be a good source of images. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ie "([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]Limited use) 12:57", 11 June 2015 (UTC) == Using images with unknown copyright == but I've avoided doing so until now, but uncredited photos keep turning up think on Facebook and it seems a shame balance it miss out on them, so I've added two to the [[Dowles Bridge]] page with what I hope is a suitable "Get out of jail free" disclaimer. Even with an 1868 photo, there's no guarantee that the copyright has expired under the 70 year rulebetter as changed. Any thoughts on the legality of this ?--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 07:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC) : What I've not yet worked out is whether the copyright is (or at least can be) "extended" if the work is sold to someone else - if I buy a collection of old photos, do I get any rights, or The station icon is it still all linked to the original author (unless they specifically give some permission/waiver)? Equally, I'm not sure if digitising a piece of work is ever able to extend copyright (e.g. if I scan an old photo, do I get rights over the scan of somebody else's work?). If neither of those apply, then it's 70 years from the production of the work 'in 'if the author is not knowndisused'', or 70 years after their death if it is (so for an 1868 photo, the author would have had to survive until 1946). --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 16:30, 30 January 2016 (UTC) ::Regarding whether you can extend copyright by digitising a piece of work, the Ordnance Survey relinquishes crown copyright after 50 years as per the link I posted [[Tips for contributing to the SVR Wiki#Ordnance Survey Maps / Crown Copyright | here]]. However the National Library of Scotland claims copyright over their scans of OS maps colour which are older than that, hence it appears you can do so (suggests something different and I have updated all the OS extracts accordingly).--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC) ==Changes needed please==A section to note any amendments needed on this linked page for the attention of the administrators. Suggest we delete items when done to keep gives the list currentoperational status. == Article/page count == I've removed the line in the introduction that gave the current number of articles/images on the wiki. I had recently noticed the main page was taking much longer to access than any other page, and that other pages would not load until the main page was loaded, implying it was somehow locking up might have a go at creating a large number of resources. Removing completely new file at some point with the page/image countsadditional text, which were probably re-counted each time the page was opened, appears unless Graham happens to have significantly improved the speed! I suspect read this is a combination of the actual article counting process being slow for some reason, as well as the main page having to be generated from scratch each time it was viewed (in case the counts had changed) which is quite a slow process..and gets there first. --[[User:Danny252Robin|Danny252Robin]] ([[User talk:Danny252Robin|talk]]) 0809:4758, 12 July 2016 21 April 2024 (UTC):Does seem quicker - no great loss not having On the information. --[[User:Robin|RobinList of stations]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 17:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC) == Wiki content license == It was realised earlier today that it was never made clear what license was applied to content on the Wiki, with the exception of uploaded files (where a license is picked on uploading). page I've applied minor edited the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 license], the same as is used on Wikipedia - this license does not apply if a different license is specified schematic to remove '(e.g. uploaded imagesdisused). If you have any complaints, speak now, or forever hold your peace! --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 22:34, 19 November 2016 (UTC) :No complaints, but could you tweak ' and change the site settings to include the CC icon in colour for the button at the foot of station (look on the page where currently is just shows 'Creativechanges'to see what changes I made). Found [https://creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?license_code=by-sa&jurisdiction=&version=3.0&lang=en How this page of instructions] which may might help. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 16:45, 24 November 2016 (UTC) ::Like so? --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 21:04, 24 November 2016 (UTC) :::That looks better, thanks!--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 21:11, 24 November 2016 (UTC) == SVR photographic guide == This comes up periodically. There is no published guide of publicly available photo locations. There is an old thread at http://railways.national-preservation.com/threads/svr-photo-guide.5590/page-2 with quite a lot of info and a thread around Pacific Power. I'm not a photographer but a guide would be useful. It would need some thought thoughsure, so as initial suggestions what it might include:Work north to SouthLocation nameGPSOS referenceMeans of accessParticular restrictionsTips - better in the afternoon than morning type thingExample photo Also that page doesn't use a does and don'ts section (trespass etc.) Thoughtspng file?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 1022:5522, 19 December 2016 26 April 2024 (UTC)::Helps greatly thanks - Ihadn'd erred away from doing one in t realised how Graham created the past, in case the SVR considered it to be encouraging people to photograph from lineside (even in legitimate viewing locations) rather than paying to visit the railwayoriginal . However the SVR itself gave a number of possible viewing locations for Pacific Power, so maybe not considered an issue? If we do add one, your suggestions would be a good startpng file until now.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 15:59, 29 December 2016 I've added '(UTCLimited use) Official response from Lewis Maddox: "Great idea, if you need any photos let me know." So, going back to the original post, what's which is in the best way of setting it up? Does it need correct font and created a table with the headings I suggestednew . Is there png file from a better way? This might be one where a little thought and input from photographers is worthwhile...--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 13:06, 4 January 2017 (UTC) :Just while thinking about itscreen grab, on tweaking the [[Current events on size to match the Severn Valley Railway]] page, original. I put a comment relating to SVR Live that "Information which is publicly accessible for enthusiasts includes Traffic Notices, Working Timetables, could use other wording such as 'Galas only'rather than 'lineside photography policy and application forms'Limited use'', and so onif preferred." However I can't see photography policy on the new version, or on the SVR website either. Any idea where they would be found these days?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 1609:5011, 4 January 2017 28 April 2024 (UTC)